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Rmw Armitage will also get a proof for a manoman son I've no info as to how good he will be but he has a lot of high ranking sons which is proving to be a good guide for future results
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There is one Oman/Oman son that may have a US proof this run and it looks like he has great type or better type than the majority of his brothers he is Regancrest Beau from ABS.

He has 27 daughters at 78% GP> and if he can maintain this level of consistency he could be quite a bull his Genomics look positive that are backed up by a quality type line.




Well I'm not as enthousiastic as you are, of 27 classified cows there are only 6 83pnts or higher. If you look at the individual cows you see that they are from a non random sample (as a lot of daughters from a top genomic bulls are). So I think he's not so special for type.

I never liked the Oman x Goldwyn cross to much, you're crossing 2 extremes from 2 opposite breeding goals (extreme commercial vs extreme type) and you end up somewhere in the middle. I'm more of the old fashioned way of breeding by constantly selecting bulls that fit your breeding goal.
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Blackcav its funny you mention no type in the family.... He traces back to quietcove valiant fawn haha I will agree that the last 2 matings may have been a bad choice. The ones semex put on Facebook from welcome stock seemed like pretty nice cows. His proofs not showing it now but those daughters scored well too. ( talk about non random matings though!!)
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I don't see anything wrong with Beau the daughters he has made are not that bad even if some of them are from well scored cows he has kept decent consistency so far.If u compare him to Boulder who has 30 daughters 4 VG 15 GP 11 G at 63% and Beau has 27 daughters 1 VG 20GP 6 G at 78% Beau looks more consistent so far but will Boulder be a better bull in the long run.

If Beau has a proof anything like his Genomics I think that he will be more useful to people that can not use the Barbie family because of its poor health traits.Beau has great health traits when compared to many other bulls from this family his production and components are positive and if he can keep the type he might get the Barbie family used in place were it might not of been used at all.

Valiant Fawn was a great cow but that's a long time ago the bulls behind Facebook are not great type bulls apart from Shottle (Airraid Emerson Finley Bellwood).

It is a wonder that Jigsaw was ever tested his health traits are brutal but he is very well bred someone may like him and not be concerned about his bad side.



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If Beau has a proof anything like his Genomics

Valiant Fawn was a great cow but that's a long time ago the bulls behind Facebook are not great type bulls apart from Shottle (Airraid Emerson Finley Bellwood).

It is a wonder that Jigsaw was ever tested his health traits are brutal but he is very well bred someone may like him and not be concerned about his bad side.




Yes If he has a proof like his genomics, not many bulls have a proof like his genomics, genomics are overestimated and 70% reliable, so everybody knows that you have to interpret individual bulls with care, first wait until he gets 1000 daughters milking, then most of the genomic info is gone, so dec 14 or april 15 proof will tell something more about facebook.

The only type line of Valiant Fawn I know is the one at Quality, where they consistantly bred for type and then they got BC Fransisco, one of the last superb cows in Canada. With this sire stack you have a one in a million chance getting a high type bull, you need to cross your fingers when he turns out to be average.

I'm not a health freak but Jigsaw is not on my list, You need rather exceptional type to let all this trash come over you, not only calving ease is horrible, also SCC is problematic. I don't see any reason why use Jigsaw instead of Absolute.
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The only type line of Valiant Fawn I know is the one at Quality, where they consistantly bred for type and then they got BC Fransisco, one of the last superb cows in Canada. With this sire stack you have a one in a million chance getting a high type bull, you need to cross your fingers when he turns out to be average.
 



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I accidentally found a fawn decendant in our barn. She is now scored VG87 ( by alladin) and her daughter also went VG. Kind of exciting even though there was a whole lot of low scored cows in between. I'd like to think fawn did something in the pedigree haha. She made an impact with FBI through windbrook, spectrum etc. Mistyglen is correct, that's a different family.
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I accidentally found a fawn decendant in our barn. She is now scored VG87 ( by alladin) and her daughter also went VG. Kind of exciting even though there was a whole lot of low scored cows in between. I'd like to think fawn did something in the pedigree haha. She made an impact with FBI through windbrook, spectrum etc. Mistyglen is correct, that's a different family.



just going off at a tangent, the Chief Faith cow and her family are amazing, classifiers hate them but boy do they pay the bills. It must be 20+ years ago I used a series of test bulls including two from this family, both 'failed' their test but left me strong rugged cows that lasted for years, the better one Maine-Acres Chief Force failed his progeny test here with the worst foot and leg score ever, over -5 standard diviations, in the States he was 0 for feet and legs (good for a Mark son)but minus milk, I so liked my 3 I asked Genus at the Dairy Event if there was any semen left, the guy in front of me had come on to the stand for the same reason, we split it between us and were charged £35 a straw for a progeny test failure.
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One of the resulting daughters bred me a Roy ( how much Chief blood there?) I am still milking.
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What is interesting to me is that Plushanski Persuader was one of my dad's favorite bulls, rugged cows with great fat test right out of Faith herself. But, even though they had cow after cow top the CTPI lists in the 80's -Mark Fife etc.. out of hundreds of bulls proven from that family, I would say the best bull was Fargo out of Neil Flute. The index bred bulls from that family were a tremendous flop, with nothing to show for many many chances. Not trying to insult you Dave, I'm glad you liked Force. Saw their sale catalog(Plushanski) a year or 2 ago, and the catalog had very few complete pedigrees, looked liked they had completely lost their interest in breeding.
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I think Plushanski Farsano is a decent bull from the Faith family if he had better components and fertility he may of been used a lot more his maternal line is quite different being a Blitz x Wade x Geoffrey x Cleitus.

Another bull that has Plushanski breeding further back is Bookmaker he contains Persuader through Plushanski Persuader Ormsby EX90 GMD DOM from the family of Plushanski Star Orange EX90 GMD DOM.

http://www.dynamis-genois.fr/en/sires/holstein/FR2237733678-BOOKMAKER

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