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Question -
While I know some of you do not care about RHA % and that is fine but I am wondering --
If you bred a 100% RHA cow to a 99% bull - it results in a 99% RHA calf. At what point does the 99% become 100%? I am noticing some really big time McCutchen sires out there, they are McCutchen sons and still 99% - I assume that their daughters will be 99%.
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If I remember correctly they will never become 100%, don`t round up, something I`m sure holstein put in when they opened up herdbook to keep holstein purist happy. I have no problem using % bulls but I do think they should always be 99% and not 100%.

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Correct, will always be 99%.
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What makes a bull 99% or less in the first place? Unknown ancestry? Or is it some known non-Holstein ancestry?

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What makes a bull 99% or less in the first place? Unknown ancestry? Or is it some known non-Holstein ancestry?



In the US and Canada you insist on animals being 'purebred'
your 99% bulls are every bit as good it usually means there is European bull some where in the pedigree
In this case it is the German bull Ramos which hails from a deep pedigreed german holstein cow family
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Usually one of two things have happened, a "grade" animal has been bred for many generations to AI bulls, which I believe to be the case with Freddie. Or, a bull like Ramos or Jocko, and I have been told many records were lost in WW1 and 2 in Europe. In my case, and for many people, it doesn't matter squat. The bulls I just named will have a huge influence and rightfully so. Good cows out of good bulls will drive the breed forward, 99% or 100%. Just limiting your gene pool if you eliminate 99% animals. All animals started as grades as such, and I see no difference, paper or not.
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Usually one of two things have happened, a "grade" animal has been bred for many generations to AI bulls, which I believe to be the case with Freddie. Or, a bull like Ramos or Jocko, and I have been told many records were lost in WW1 and 2 in Europe. In my case, and for many people, it doesn't matter squat. The bulls I just named will have a huge influence and rightfully so. Good cows out of good bulls will drive the breed forward, 99% or 100%. Just limiting your gene pool if you eliminate 99% animals. All animals started as grades as such, and I see no difference, paper or not.



Although we started with Dutch Friesians since 1975 we didn't use any bull that was not 100% Holstein. I'm kinda purist. Luckily I have no need to use lousy type bulls like Ramos, Jocko and Freddy so i can easily stay with my 100% Holstein guarantee. In Holland a cow is already 100% after 4 generations (50/75/87/100).
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Usually one of two things have happened, a "grade" animal has been bred for many generations to AI bulls, which I believe to be the case with Freddie. Or, a bull like Ramos or Jocko, and I have been told many records were lost in WW1 and 2 in Europe. In my case, and for many people, it doesn't matter squat. The bulls I just named will have a huge influence and rightfully so. Good cows out of good bulls will drive the breed forward, 99% or 100%. Just limiting your gene pool if you eliminate 99% animals. All animals started as grades as such, and I see no difference, paper or not.



Although we started with Dutch Friesians since 1975 we didn't use any bull that was not 100% Holstein. I'm kinda purist. Luckily I have no need to use lousy type bulls like Ramos, Jocko and Freddy so i can easily stay with my 100% Holstein guarantee. In Holland a cow is already 100% after 4 generations (50/75/87/100).



How many of these supposedly lousy type bulls have you milked. Nothing wrong with the bulls you mentioned so the only answer is the cows they are coming out of.
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How many of these supposedly lousy type bulls have you milked. Nothing wrong with the bulls you mentioned so the only answer is the cows they are coming out of.



For a type breeder these 3 are lousy bulls. For a commercial breeder they are probably very OK. Breeding goals differ.
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McCutchen looks pretty good - check out two of his sons at Foundation sires. If genomics is any reflection of what their proof will be - they will be in high demand. (High Octane and Capital Gain)
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