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Jocko's were high producing but extremely ugly cows.



So were Labelles, not exciting to see but efficient and knowing how to milk and last. In my opinion he should be millionaire instead of the likes of Integrity.



In the end Labelles was probably one of the best commercial bulls around from his generation. Much better then many of the high marketed bulls. But the world was flooded by Bell bulls at that time, it was not easy to pick the best one. Same with Oman, in few years we will know what his best one was, probably again not the hyped ones. Luckily initial numbers don't tell the whole story, keeps something for discussion :-).
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In the end Labelles was probably one of the best commercial bulls around from his generation. Much better then many of the high marketed bulls. But the world was flooded by Bell bulls at that time, it was not easy to pick the best one. Same with Oman, in few years we will know what his best one was, probably again not the hyped ones. Luckily initial numbers don't tell the whole story, keeps something for discussion :-).



Haha, agree with you on almost everything. Now much hype has been around Snowman and Man-O-Man but I guess Whitmans O Man Awesome Andy would have been a much wiser choice to keep O-Man's strengths alive and pass them on to the next generation.

And yep, we were flooded with Bell back then... and the best ones weren't the ones everybody was fancying first. Labelle, Belltone etc. Numerous names. What if the world had embraced Häradsköp (Belltone x Very) from Sweden instead of Fatal when they were both released? Or, to name one his paternal brothers, if they had sampled hundreds of Delta Luxemburg sons? Bell's example should be remembered. He was a chance for the breed and we wasted his influence the wrong way.

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Jocko's were high producing but extremely ugly cows.



So were Labelles, not exciting to see but efficient and knowing how to milk and last. In my opinion he should be millionaire instead of the likes of Integrity.



In the end Labelles was probably one of the best commercial bulls around from his generation. Much better then many of the high marketed bulls. But the world was flooded by Bell bulls at that time, it was not easy to pick the best one. Same with Oman, in few years we will know what his best one was, probably again not the hyped ones. Luckily initial numbers don't tell the whole story, keeps something for discussion :-).



Pretty sure we already know the best ones. Even we have daughters of oman sons in 4th lactation.

I wouldn't see man o man or snowman coming up in discussion as his best sons.

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Stardust sire of Red Marker....So never say no impact.
To whole breed needs much more strengh wish there are more bulls like Red Marker. I actually use a lot of Stardust and Red Marker.
No question that there is much more space for Stardust than for another Goldwyn in our frail way of breeding.
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Haha, agree with you on almost everything.




You're about the only one over here, most think I'm a complete lunatic :-). I think looking back (and learn from that) is very useful in life now and then, but I'm an old guy.
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Pretty sure we already know the best ones. Even we have daughters of oman sons in 4th lactation.

I wouldn't see man o man or snowman coming up in discussion as his best sons.




Pretty sure some do, but a lot are still acting as if we were still in the nineties... How many sons of the best O-Mans have been sampled? Some Freddies and I guess the list stops here.
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Re: Flashback: Who was the best Starbuck son?


We still have Hanoverhill Stardom, Hanoverhill Raider, Hanoverhill Skybuck and Browndale Stardust in the tank. I know some about them but not a lot. What were their strengths and weaknesses? What were they best used on?
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