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I have been thinking lately about classification and was wondering what peoples views would be if a trait was introduced that scored for overall balance When 2 animals are scored their linears can be very similar yet to look at there can be a big difference in them very often this is down to how well balanced the animals are! just wondering what everyone else thinks on this?
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I wouldn't be in favour of it because it would be a subjective trait that allowed the classifier way too much wiggle room to do what they wanted with the final score.

I assume you are based in the UK. What do you think of HUKI's very recent decision to drop the requirement for a two year old to have VG legs for it to score 85 or higher?

Madness in my opinion. I thought UK classification had become very consistent in the last few years. One of the reasons for this, I think, is the emphasis that has been placed on feet and legs, especially in two year olds. For my money it had made classification seem much more relevant as the classifers have been doing an excellent job in assessing locomotion and leg structure.
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As it was they had to be VG on legs to score 85 points anyway.Under the new system a heifer can now score GP 84 on legs and attain VG2yo, I think with the bred moving towards a more duarable animal a lot of really good heifers tend to be slightly rounder of the bone,so all in all I think this is a positive move by HUK.
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I stopped classifying cows about 8 years ago or so and never regretted it. Waste of money if you don't merchandise cattle (which is hardly impossible in Holland if you're not in the genomics rat-race).
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I may be wrong but I thought it was vg udder to become vg score.
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I had a Massey go 86 this time with 84 point legs she is heavy boned,in her case I'd say it's a good thing as she is a fantastic heifer I would exspect her to be 90 with 3 calves with good luck. Of the 9 vg 2 year olds this time 3 had gp feet and legs this won't affect bull poofs so what harm is it doing . A vg 2 year old also gives you a nice feeling a boost and at the moment the more people that get one IMO has to be a good thing.
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All it will do it is give the classifiers more wiggle room to upgrade those tall angular cows even higher and downgrade the shorter rounder cattle.

In my opinion thanks to genomics the time of classifying is over.
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All it will do it is give the classifiers more wiggle room to upgrade those tall angular cows even higher and downgrade the shorter rounder cattle.

In my opinion thanks to genomics the time of classifying is over.


How will you generate the raw data for type without it?
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Genomics is nothing without the raw data. Both type and production data.

If you have no interest in type then classification is already irrelevant.
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All it will do it is give the classifiers more wiggle room to upgrade those tall angular cows even higher and downgrade the shorter rounder cattle.

In my opinion thanks to genomics the time of classifying is over.


How will you generate the raw data for type without it?



That's up to the bull studs to pay for it.

For the farmer, even the farmer trying to sell higher genetic heifers I don't see the point of classifying.
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