bazza20
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Immu + is finished with wellness traits now available.
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11/9/2016, 6:25
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Keff
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It will be finished when there is data to prove their claims aren't true. Most Imm+ bulls test favourably on Dairy Wellness and the proven bulls are turning out with good health traits.
http://www.semex.com/i?view=list&breed=IP-H
It would be nice if they had the WT$ listed so it is easier to tell like Select but most do have a nice split between NM and DWP$. Doorman and Escalade are the only 2 of the 21 over 2000TPI with a low split.
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12/9/2016, 13:24
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bazza20
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Who cares about immu+ when we now have livability, dpr, pl, mastitis and lameness resistance. Immu+ doesn't give you anything useful.
It's an indirect measurement of health traits. We now have direct measurements.
It's like the old days of breeding for type to increase production.
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12/9/2016, 20:15
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Keff
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Clearly you care about Immunity+ when you keep going to a thread about it and commenting.
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12/9/2016, 23:42
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Re: Semex Healthsmart and Immunity+
the fact that our seavers have 41.1% less mastitis when compared to their contemporaries tells me it's far from finished.
Do some research. Read some papers on it. You might learn something.
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13/9/2016, 12:59
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Blackwalnut
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Re: Semex Healthsmart and Immunity+
Immunity plus is Semex pretending they have something special, they don't. Bazza has got it right.
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13/9/2016, 15:38
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Blackwalnut
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Re: Semex Healthsmart and Immunity+
Keff, aren't you just proving Bazza point when you say most immu + bulls are positive for dairy wellness and health traits ? The advantage for wellness and health traits is the Bulls are on a scale.
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13/9/2016, 19:57
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errolston
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RTG, I neither deny nor confirm Immunity +, but, Seaver does have an exceptional SCC score. Did we need Immunity+ to tell us the Seavers were less likely to have mastitis?
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13/9/2016, 20:07
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Keff
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Bazza's original argument was that it wasn't useful and then dairy wellness came out and most of them scored well on it on top of decent health numbers already so it kinda proves there is something there and not just a Semex marketing tool.
Mind you Dairy Wellness isn't perfect either it is just a prediction based on a genomic test and not actual individual results, but I agree the the advantage over Imm+ is it can give you a $ prediction of how much you can expect to gain or lose vs a average bull.
So I think if you are looking at Semex bulls and a bull tests well for wellness is nice. A bull that is also Imm+ is better. Which is why I'm using a bull like Silverridge Eric who has a DWP $371 higher then his Net Merit and he is Imm+ so I have a tons of confidence that his daugthers will be healthy. Just looking at Selects WellnessPro bulls none of them have a bigger NM-DWP split then Eric, who just happens to be Imm+. Accelgen has one bull with a higher split at $372 Zyke. So it must mean something that this bull Eric was identified as Imm+ and then happens to be one of the top Wellness bulls in the world once he gets tested for that later.
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Blackwalnut
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Re: Semex Healthsmart and Immunity+
Sounds way too complex
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13/9/2016, 23:09
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