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Saw heifers make £1500+ today at Ballymena.
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Eejits!! Unless they know something we don't!

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Heck, average kind of second and third calvers are still making 11-1200 quid.

Stock prices surely have to fall, but not right away. There are still obviously enough buyers out there. This winter may be the last good chance to get out while the goings good.



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Yeah, let me know too Sperrin and I'll happily tell Dad to jump off the United ship before it sinks completely!!



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Yeah, let me know too Sperrin and I'll happily tell Dad to jump off the United ship before it sinks completely!!

I was wondering when the AGM was coming up, is it at Loughry again? Gonna be a 'heated' night for Mr Dobbin and Mr Hamilton.

Dad was talking last night about selling the cows before their price drops too far, I said we'd wait to see what they're making at Clogher on Saturday, I'd be doubtful of too many going for the £1500+ they have been going for!!




Probably one of the buyers from outside NI. When we did our sums for last quota year they on average were paying over 1ppl more i'll not even tell u what is this year!! plus Milk collection was £8 compared to Uniteds £13 to haul it 2 miles!

Eejits, thats a bit of an understatement!!

United Agm is at The hilton hotel Templepatrick!!
 :arrh

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Off to Templepatrick it is then to give Dobbin, Hamilton & Co my tuppence worth!

Gonna be messy!! :arrh

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Will, why you talking bout giving Harold and co 'your tuppence worth', ok maybe Dobbin but the rest of them are only dairy farmers just like you and me and are going to be taking just as bad a prices as the rest of us, its not an easy job that them men are trying to do!

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Oh I know Ardbarron, I certainly wouldn't do it, but if Mr Dobbin expexcts to keep his job, sorry should that be COMPANY then someone had better start talking to the buyers! How is anyone expected to produce good quality milk for 18p?
I read somewhere (farmers guardian I think) that 2 dairy farmers a day are quitting the industry. Considering that and the fact that the vast majority of dairy farmers (in Norn Iron at least) are 50 or older, with very little young blood coming in to the industry (I was about to pack in the office job to go home and milk, building industry is on it's knees) where are United likey to be in say 10 years time?
OK maybe the small farms are quitting and the big guys getting bigger, but no matter how efficient the operation, production at 18p aint feasable.
Just wondering, at what point IS it feasable to show our disgust at ridiculously low milk prices by opening the bung and letting it flow!? If they don't want our milk, don't give them it? Maybe I'm rash and tempestuous, but I'm getting ever so slightly sick and tired of being taken for a ride by the 'buyers' - seems the old addage holds true......

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Will, you're feeling how all of us feel at some point or other - just let it flow man, get rid of all that frustration. Maybe you need to start smoking man.

But really, the problem is that we are price takers, and I don't know how that is going to change for us in the western world. We produce one of the most inflexible commodities know to man. We can't turn it off when the price is bad, and we can't shut it down on holidays.

I totally agree that United pay lower than the other lot pay my neighbour. At the risk of sounding totally daft, hear me out. United put a bottom in the local market, or rather, take the brunt of being left with worthless spring surplus milk. If United wasn't there paying a bad price, the other guys would pay you what they felt like. Don't forget that they pay a premium for NI milk just to take suppliers away from united and to give them more winter milk. If ROI production rises anything like as predicted when quotas go in five years, they won't be likely to pay premium for northern milk like they do now. Also, when you make the move, make sure you are going to like it, because I'm told none of the others will take you on unless you are coming from United. It is their target.

Would we have been financially better to have supplied an ROI company the last ten years? - undoubtedly, yes. Much better. Probably the same goes for the next five. After that, I'm not so sure. Thats crystal ball stuff.

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I agree with FOAF in that I believe United put a bottom in the market. I also feel they provide some security to a smaller producer like myself. For example I heard at the market yesterday that Wiesmans was talking to a local 3 million litre producer this week. I'm sure I'll not be getting a visit.
Positively I believe we have some excellent efficient dairy farmers over here. (Though I accept that part of this efficiency is sadly due to the farmers working silly hours for silly money) I do not feel that this excellence is matched by the processors performance.
In my opinion (FWIW) to build a business model so reliant upon government subsidies is no better than those in towns who base their career aspirations upon queuing in the dole office. The processors may complain about pressure on them - but I'll only believe that when I hear of lay-offs 3-day weeks and wage cuts.
Dumping milk - are you serious? The only one that would hurt is us.
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I thought dumping milk worked recently in Germany? Perhaps not!

Do you not think that a week or two of no milk would make the buyers think about what it's worth??

I know it would hurt us in the short term, but what about 'no pain, no gain'?!!

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Maybe you need to start smoking man.

You must be on the weed MAN!! emoticon

I hear what you're all saying about taking a low price to stabalise market 'n' all, but why should we get taken for a ride for 18p?

Perhaps if Mr Dobbin & Co can guarentee 32p+ for next summer we'll not be as upset, I doubt that though!

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Will, why you talking bout giving Harold and co 'your tuppence worth', ok maybe Dobbin but the rest of them are only dairy farmers just like you and me and are going to be taking just as bad a prices as the rest of us, its not an easy job that them men are trying to do!



I noticed a wee column in the Annual report 'directors remuneration' does Harold & Co not get a slice of that cake?!!

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