smous
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Re: Montbeliarde
The other thing with Montys they are slower maturing. Seasonal calvers require all heifers to calve at two years. Too much european breed in the mix can make this harder, Jerseys in the mix makes it easier.
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22/4/2012, 8:17
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bmvf
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Re: Montbeliarde
Couldn't you start servicing with Monty's a week early in your breeding window?
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22/4/2012, 9:18
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bazza20
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Re: Montbeliarde
Not really
In seasonal calving if a cow goes to 285 days gestation you have 80 days to get them back incalf so they calve again at the same time of year. Cows going 10 days over there due date mean you have 10 days less time to get the cow in calf. That is why short gestation bulls are good for seasonal calving.
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22/4/2012, 10:04
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bmvf
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Re: Montbeliarde
quote: bazza20 wrote:
Not really
In seasonal calving if a cow goes to 285 days gestation you have 80 days to get them back incalf so they calve again at the same time of year. Cows going 10 days over there due date mean you have 10 days less time to get the cow in calf. That is why short gestation bulls are good for seasonal calving.
But I'm saying, suppose I normaly start breeding cows May 1st. If I use Montbeliarde I could start breeding today with the calves being born 10 days later in my calving window. I would stop using Monty after May 1st.
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22/4/2012, 13:05
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FiringOnAllFour
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Re: Montbeliarde
quote: smous wrote:
The other thing with Montys they are slower maturing. Seasonal calvers require all heifers to calve at two years. Too much european breed in the mix can make this harder, Jerseys in the mix makes it easier.
Excellent point.
This was certainly true for my three milking fleckviehs. People told me they would be monstrous, especially on diet feeding. Not true, calving at 24 months definitely stunts them for good, as they rebreed well and don't get the chance to grow on out.
However, their size is fine if you keep the pressure on the heifer rearing, and no one here wants to end up with an 800kg cow (except when she's ready to hang up! )
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22/4/2012, 21:24
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Re: Montbeliarde
we always calved our simmies in at 20 - 24 months and all recalved in under 12 months .....never looked at gestation length really.However we did start our heifer calving in jan and our cows in march giving us time to concentrate on the heifers.
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22/4/2012, 22:32
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RolLyn Dairy
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Re: Montbeliarde
We are just starting to crossbreed our Holsteins. I have gone on the Montbeliarde.org website to look at/confirm the proofs for bulls available. The rump slope seems to be listed opposite of the US. Using Rapallo as an example: Creative Genetics/Select Sires has him sloped 5.29, but the French site has the slope at 137 - which is horizontal, not sloped. He's extreme, so I would like to know which way so as to not breed him to the "wrong" cow.
Thanks.
--- Tracy
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16/8/2012, 23:22
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JonnyLungs
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Re: Montbeliarde
I'm a bit confused myself now.
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18/8/2012, 15:37
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RolLyn Dairy
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Re: Montbeliarde
Creative Genetics has Rapallo as very sloped 5.29 http://issuu.com/creativeandkreative/docs/monbeliarde-june/31
and on the Montbeliarde.org website it is very level 137(or maybe high?) http://www.montbeliarde.org/fiche-taureau.php?anim=7120640289&lge=eng
I'm just trying to determine which one is correct.
--- Tracy
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18/8/2012, 23:41
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