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Why is Italy getting its 5% increase in quota immediately, while everyone else is getting a 1% increase per year?

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So we can sell our milk for Dump price before than anyone else...

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At the other end of the scale, it has been reported in the press that Europe needs to lose about 10% of its production. So what an increase in production will do is a scarey thought.

What do you think would happen to milk production if the EU and the US withdrew their subsidies to farmers?

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Large scale dairy units dont need subsidies anyway if they are in anyway efficent
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Large scale dairy units dont need subsidies anyway if they are in anyway efficent




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Large scale dairy units dont need subsidies anyway if they are in anyway efficent



If units in western europe are producing milk from the highest cost base in the world, and with the greatest restrictions on how they do it, then I don't think it would be a surprise for production to move away from europe on a large scale to cheaper countries, if subsidies were removed.

I'm not convinced that large scale units necessarily have a significantly lower cost of production than a well run 100-200 cow family farm. The main difference is that two people owning 1000 cows need less margin to keep them alive than two people owning 100 cows.



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Large scale dairy units dont need subsidies anyway if they are in anyway efficent



If units in western europe are producing milk from the highest cost base in the world, and with the greatest restrictions on how they do it, then I don't think it would be a surprise for production to move away from europe on a large scale to cheaper countries, if subsidies were removed.

I'm not convinced that large scale units necessarily have a significantly lower cost of production than a well run 100-200 cow family farm. The main difference is that two people owning 1000 cows need less margin to keep them alive than two people owning 100 cows.







I agree, actually in Large Dairy Farms EBITDA% on Income results to be lower than in small farms.
Working Labour affect Large Farm incomes on a 30/35%. The difference with small farms is all here, they hire less employees so they earn what they don't pay as salary.


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the problem is not the size of herd because this will reduce milk price for all of us and then what is better is to produce restricted quantity of milk or poroduced milk with any restrictions without any quind of price secure today is [sign in to see URL] and tomorrow exemple [sign in to see URL] or [sign in to see URL]
 
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i can not understand why they will give all the power to the milk co-op , if they want to get cheep milk lift price a little you get all the milk in the world .to get a higher price for the cheese-ect ect lower the price farmers cut back , it will be a very unstable thim for all plus , they will play with the price even more than they do now by cutting the price at the time when farmers must keep milking , cows dont have a tap
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Came across this thread today, thought it would be interesting to hear how you European guys felt about it now that 2015 is here?!
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I know I'm excited. I took over the farm 12 years at 19 years old.
 i have bought quota at high prices and I'm a bit pickled that the irish gave out quota to new entrants for a few cents and left lots like me, who bought it expanding their business with nothing,

 so now that we can supply all we want on 1st april its a level playing field here.
on a world market Ireland is but a drop in the ocean.
Usa and new zeland will still dictate the world price with their production.
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