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Just wondered what people think of this profit from a system that i have created over 7 years of hard work.The money comes from horse racing the fabled game that can not be beaten or so they say.On the 27th of November last year i decided to try to break the super calculation i invented.I gave the dummy system £10,000 and fed it my racing selections at present the £10,000 would be worth £59,000 so far.The real system that i have been doing since the end of March is worth £500 so far with a starting balance of £50.I calculate that i can increase the balance 10 fold every 6 months or so with the calculation wich is better than any bank.The key to horse racing is it is a con and 90% people dont know this that is why they loose.A great example is the bookmaker makes horses favorite that have no chance of winning.There mission is to get you on a horse with low odds meaning u need to put more on it.If u loose more of the time then its better to back 12-1 than a 3-1 u will loose 4x less money but still have a chance to win.Also in handicap races more than half of the horses in the race are not going to win they are going to loose to loose weight of there handicap mark so they can win in the future.If u could imagine betting in the cow world for milk production first calver u have a Triple Threat and a Bw Marshall.If the average guy on the street wants to bet on this most dont have a clue what is what but if u were a cowman u have a graet advantage of these people.That is why it is important to study the Throughbred breed just like cows to give u an edge over the regular joe.
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Biggest key to successful long term gambling is bank-roll management.

Only ever have a small percentage of your funds at risk on each decision, make a high percenatge of good decisions, and go for as high a volume as you can without affecting those decisions.

Your £10,000 up to £59,000 is play money, not real life. Different game when the money becomes real.

Your £50 up to £500 might indicate you're on to something, or might just be that you've had a hot streak. Time will tell on that, but you need to be realistic or the downswings will really do your head in.

Good luck.
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The issue is i can not loose what i have won in the long run as long as i can still get a winner and dont run out of money.The fake system has the same selections as the real money system it was to gauge how much money would be used to gain x amount of money.The real money system has increased 900% on balance since the start.The fake one was leval no increase was made if i had made the same increase the £10,000 would be around £140,000 or £100,000 over the same period as the real system.If i was placing leval amounts of money on each horse in the fake system i would be ruined by now something like -£30,000 or worse last time i looked.The example would be one horse i backed at 5-1 i staked £7.70 and it won if i was backing leval stakes with the same amount of money placed on this horse and all the losing horses before the winner it would of been £2.47.So using my calculation i spent the same money around £42 as the same guy using leval stakes but had over £5 more going on the winner.

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If you use decent BR management you should never run out of money, that's what it's all about.

As a basic example, I play a bit of poker. Not nose-bleed stakes, but I'm reasonably tidy at low / medium stakes.

For lower risk / reward formats like cash or sit and goes where skill will win over time I never have more than 5% of my bankroll in play on a table.

For higher risk / reward formats like tournaments where you need a bit of luck as well as skill I never buy in for more than 2.5% of my bankroll.

If I have a good run I either withdraw money or move up a buy-in level. If I have a bad run I move down a buy-in level, but I don't go ever go bust.

Over time you will always have poor runs with any form of gambling, as any successful pro gambler knows. Decent bankroll management is your insurance against the bad runs, and insures you can play again tomorrow without constantly needing more funds.

Chucking all your money on one bet and it coming in is a fairytale that happens to very, very few, and if you do it on a regular basis you WILL go busto.
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gee and here I thought you were talking about farming where but for the roll of mother natures dice go I
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gee and here I thought you were talking about farming where but for the roll of mother natures dice go I



I did think after I wrote my previous post on here that maybe bankroll management's not unlike breeding cattle. The higher the risk, the more careful you need to be.

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Your right about bankroll the fake system used 10k starting but i would rather have another 20k for insurance purpose.I dont put all my money on one bet the example is this if every horse is 10-1 and i want to make 1k.Then i would place £100 on that horse.If that horse was to loose then £110 goes on the next horse at 10-1 and so forth.When u win all the loosing money is brought back and 1k profit.If u were to take the amount of money spent using this method and divide it up between all horses backed u will always have the most money on the winning horse not shared out on the losers.My out the box plan would be to buy Canadian Quota over a 10 year period and lease it.I dont know if it is possible but i estimate that i could get 30-50kgs over 10 year investment giving me collateral for a loan.The other option would be to buy a cheap farm as soon as possible that needs work doing on it and buy in 120 maiden heifer recipients with sexed/standard frozen embryos that i contracted.The plan would be to calve down 60-120 2yr old per year and sell them all to raise capitol for milk quota and any buy backs.There is a lot of work to be done but i try to look at the rocks in front of me not the mountain i have to climb.

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Another system that can make a profit before the race even starts with nearly 0% risk.The system is called scalping all u need to do is look at horses that there price is contracting either way.If a horse u back(to win) at 14-1 goes in to 7-1 u can put a lay(to loose) bet on it so if it wins at 14-1 u have to pay the other guy 7-1.There is a program called bet angel that auto calculates the different amounts u need to put on to make it easy.The only problem is u need a good bit of money because of small margins involved.
Just gone over my account history of the winners i have selected this season also the 2nd place horses that just missed out.

1ST PLACE(49)
(15-8 x 1)(9-4 X 3)(5-2 X 2)(11-4 X 2)(3-1 X 4)(7-2 X 2)(4-1 X 1)(9-2 X 2)(5-1 X 1)(11-2 X 2)(6-1 X 4)(13-2 X 1)(7-1 X 5)(15-2 X 1)(8-1 X 2)(17-2 X 1)(9-1 X 1)(10-1 X 5)(12-1 X 3)(14-1 X 4)(16-1 X 1)(20-1 X 1)

2ND PLACE(49)
(13-8 X 1)(2-1 X 1)(11-4 X 2)(3-1 X 1)(100-30 X 1)(7-2 X 1)(4-1 X 3)(9-2 X 3)(5-1 X 2)(11-2 X 1)(6-1 X 4)(13-2 X 2)(7-1 X 4)(15-2 X 1)(8-1 X 5)(9-1 X 1)(10-1 X 3)(11-1 X 1)(12-1 X 2)(14-1 X 2)(16-1 X 2)(18-1 X 1)(20-1 X 2)(33-1 X 1)(40-1 X 2)
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Hardly a new system. People have known about this forever. Basically just make sure each successive bet is big enough it covers all the previous losses with some profit left over.

Problem is it doesn't really work unless you have an infinite bank roll. Because do it long enough and eventually statistics determine you will hit a loss streak big enough to bankrupt you.

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The system that has been around for ages was for roulette if that is what u are talking about.In this system u pick red or black and double up your money every time u loose.Doing this would mean on the 10th loss u would need to place £512 on that spin with a total spent is £1023.The odds for this is even money ok if u factor in a 10-1 on the 10th bet u will need to place £2.36 with a total amount spent is £16.This example proves that odds are the cause of most losses because most people can not put decent money on a 16-1 because they do not understand the way things are.A horse can be 2-1 favorite and most people belive it is the best horse in the race because it has low odds.The logic is the bookmaker would in no way make a horse that had chance of winning 16-1 because he would loose a lot of money.This is what they want people to think so if a person is on a loseing run he will think its a dead cert at 2-1 with this logic.The only problem is the person was not clued up the 2-1 favorite was a 3yr old running against older horses.The amount of time i have seen people been burned backing 3yr old favorites going against older horses they simply do not have the stamina and they loose most times.If people have run out of money using this system then they must of backed to low and won to low.Why did these people not back engineer there failed system and work on the points that made it fail.If people want to find out how to pick big prices winners take a note of the results of a race and then read the form.
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