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I just got a Genetics Australia catalog today from US distributor Taurus Inc. How do the Australian Holsteins compare with other Holsteins or NZ Friesian? The catalog claims that the bulls are good for grazing. Is that the case or is it a marketing ploy?
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Well in Australia I would say probably 90% + of the milk produced here is from grazing grass plus grain top up in the dairy. Most cows are never housed.

In saying that in my opinion far to much of our AI industry is influenced by people trying to breed flashy Goldwyn type bulls rather than grazing bulls. But we do manage some very good for grazing bulls. Donor and Gold bullion being great older grazing bulls.

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Those bulls aren't in the catalog. The catalog has Medallion which is claimed to be Australia's most popular bull. Other bulls listed are Quinty, Carlos, Delsanto, Nimble, Eurostar, Buddha, Deabcox, Bullbar, Carmare, and Useage.

I start to have doubts about these bulls and how they fit into grazing systems when the highest APR bull is out of Talent. They don't have high Net Merit figures either.
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Those bulls aren't in the catalog. The catalog has Medallion which is claimed to be Australia's most popular bull. Other bulls listed are Quinty, Carlos, Delsanto, Nimble, Eurostar, Buddha, Deabcox, Bullbar, Carmare, and Useage.

I start to have doubts about these bulls and how they fit into grazing systems when the highest APR bull is out of Talent. They don't have high Net Merit figures either.



Those two where old bulls dead and gone now just used as an example of older great aussie bulls.

Genetics Australia has used heaps of talent and Goldwyn blood. Make up your own mind on that and I may be wrong but not my idea of grazing bulls.

I am milking bullbars and am not impressed with them.
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I looked at the Holstein catalog and nothing really jumped out and screamed "buy me", even if I tried to put on the lenses of a Holstein breeder.

I did order 40 units of the Red bull Bon Jovi. To go with the 40 units of Norwegian Red Braut that I pulled out of my rear end. Maybe do a little side by side test between Bon Jovi, Braut and Foske.

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FYI I did announce it here: [sign in to see URL]

For those who aren't up to speed I work for Genetics Australia.

I am one of the people that gets the lucky job of putting the catalogues together, distributing the young sires and also do all the web marketing. I have also used many of the top Aussie sires in Dads herd over the years. Donor and Goldbullion were great in their day, Bullbar fits in nicely, Talent was hit and miss in our herd.

Medallion was our highest seller last year and as long as he keeps up production will be the highest this year. I doubt many local bulls would have sold as high quantity of semen as him in the last couple of years looking. It's not a "marketing ploy" to state he is the most popular looking at our sales figures.

Regarding Bullbar; generally I have had good feedback, Bazza is the only one that I have heard doesn't like them honestly. Bullbar is a pattern stamper, they are always a very similar type of animal.

Regarding Talent; Talent was proven in Australia at the same time as he got his first proof in Canada. He was high index/type early on here and was used a lot as sire of sons, Useage is out of the Carly family, they consistently make high indexing sires. His dam, Donor Carly is a bloody good brood cow. She went up in class to Ex93-3E and is up to 13 star brood cow status.

Our bulls will not rank on your system, the correlation between the two countries is very weak at less than ~0.7 overall going from Australia to the US ( .8 is ok and .9 is very strong correlation for conversion). Protein production correlation (one of the strongest heritable traits) is [sign in to see URL]. The pedigrees are not really known in the US proof system so will not convert well until we get some bulls with daughters over there.

Other things to note:
The base is rolled every year for all traits.
Type traits are "real" figures, not set on standard deviations. Each trait has its own deviation.
e.g. The S.D. for type and mammary in Holsteins is 6 so Medallion sits at just under 2 standard deviations for type and close to 3 on udders.

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Maybe i have had all the bad luck with bullbar. I really wanted to like him, they just kept giving me reasons not to. He looked like my type of bull. I used a fair amount of straws and still have more to come in.

Of my oldest Bullbars only a few of them are left. One is ok but the others should have been sold last year but we didn't have enough replacements at the time. Already one of the bullbar heifers this year had to be sold.
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Maybe he is one of those "just didn't work in this herd" bulls. I was really surprised that he didn't work for you he is looking to do the same sort of thing as goldbullion in our herd. Smaller, stronger and last ages.

That's the fun of breeding hey?

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Maybe he is one of those "just didn't work in this herd" bulls. I was really surprised that he didn't work for you he is looking to do the same sort of thing as goldbullion in our herd. Smaller, stronger and last ages.

That's the fun of breeding hey?



Yep the fun of breeding and sometimes luck of the draw.

Donante is one that is doing very well for us.

Smaller cows, big production, nice udders. Ours seem to be lasting and getting pregnant fairly well.
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GA stuff will give you far more typey cows than a NZ Holst.
Of the bulls you mentioned I have used several.
Medallion - I haven't used we have brought 1 dgtr and will be using sons for sure. I used Delsanto instead both Informer sons.
Delsanto - Got 8 dgtrs to calf in July/Aug calfs on ground more pregs to come. From one of the best cow family in Aust. Shorter cows with loads of capacity love my hfrs.
Buddha - used a heap first calves on ground won't be as big through chest but mine are better than Gold Crown's if your after a comparison. Had good conception results to.
Deancox - Is on my list to use next mating mainly on low milk cows as he is one of highest milk flow bulls.
Quinty - Again another typical Informer son and i've used others so he missed out.
Carmare - Is another bull that will come in next joining. Roumare son that isn't negative for dtr fert and big components just good avg type.
Nimble - I used abit early and have a couple to calf soon but have stopped cause of SCC and Fert ratings. But type proof is about bang on bigger frames ( not stature) high pins, good F&L and teat length the ones on the hfrs are huge.
Bullbar - Is one of my favourites you get what the proof says. They not huge milkers but always mid range, Within herd index here of 92, 97, 111, 98, 99, 8emoticontwins), 104, 111, 91, 90 (JX), 110. Teat lgnth is only issue they are short and inside some can cross at back.
Useage - I havent used as I used full brother Cardinal have 14 to calve next month and look good.
Eurostar - Using other Goldwyn sons
Carlos - Just haven't used because of Dtr Fert

As honest as you will get from me. Goldbullion left some of the best cows great width throughout and just knew how to milk.
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