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There are many other bulls with health traits like the ones u have mentioned not just Oman. The problem is that all these lines are bred straight away to Oman which joins everything together when there is no point to do so why are so many of these fairly unrelated lines joined together at the drop of a hat.

If we look at Sudan just about every son is from Man-O-Man daughters which takes away any outcross he may of had were is the logic in [sign in to see URL] would be more interesting to have used Sudan with the best Roylane Champion Champ or P Richman daughters to keep the outcross going or even use Sudan daughters with the Genomic bull Coldsprings Cobra (CM x Jammer x Rudy).

Creating outcross is more important than using the best bull or most popular bull in today's world outcross is King.



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Creating outcross is for the studs to worry about. For the average dairy farmer there is nothing you can do.

I remember not that long ago when KING was posting about how line breeding for health traits works.
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"I love this statement "Ladd is only useful because he is Polled and Red, take that away and what u have is a very average type bull with pathetic production, a complete illusion. Couldn't agree more."

You could say that about many bulls. Take the health traits from Oman, and you don't have much left. Take the milk from Bolton. Take the type from Atwood, the list goes on.

Personally, I don't care that Ladd is red, him being polled is a bonus though. He sires functional type (sometimes show type, which is evident in some of his daughters, he's done quite well in the R&W heifer shows, and just had a daughter sell for $197,000 - so he can make them quite good), but he also has excellent health traits. His milk proof sucks, but is somewhat made up for with his high components. I would still wager a bet today that his daughters mature late, and milk much more later in life.

Regardless, this wasn't about Ladd. This was about breeding against health traits. The comment made about how the health trait bulls were all mated to Oman and now we have inbreeding - not buying that. And even so, those bulls still have high health trait numbers even with inbreeding.

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The majority of the studs either don't care or are to big to do any sort of a good job of creating what would be called outcross or [sign in to see URL] are to concerned about marketing / profit or having the #1 Genomic sire of the breed which takes away there focus to produce useful sires with difference.

There is no problem with close breeding or linebreeding when there is a need for it but at the moment it is being practiced for no other reason than u have no option not to do it and this must be a dangerous [sign in to see URL] if the proofs are showing increased fertility this may be down to increased consistency through close breeding using close breeding to Braxton would probably see the fertility go the opposite way through consistency.

The biggest problem with fixing Oman or any sire to every bull in stud or the breed could lead to the same product consistently being produced with the same negative and positive traits with virtually no other kind of bull to fix there problems if [sign in to see URL] would be the danger of consistency when breeding to the same bull like [sign in to see URL] studs or breeders should or should have bent over backwards to keep certain lines free of certain bulls to keep certain traits alive instead of mixing them and creating consistency with no extremes.

I have been trying to think of another bull that might work with this heifer the only one I can come up with is Toystory Domain he looks like a bull that would tick many boxes.



 
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The majority of the studs either don't care or are to big to do any sort of a good job of creating what would be called outcross or difference.They are to concerned about marketing / profit or having the #1 Genomic sire of the breed which takes away there focus to produce useful sires with difference.



 



So if that's the case should some of the blame be placed on the farmer then? Seeing how well some of these genomic bulls sell, isn't that just the studs simply giving farmers what they want?
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So what was the bull you picked in the end?
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She isn't bred yet, she is just shy of 11 months old right now. Taking all of these suggestions in and going to look at any new bulls that would be released in the August Proof run before I make my decision.
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Just curious if anyone has any new suggestions on my heifer after the August Proof Round. Here is an updated picture taken yesterday on her birthday.

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Looks like she needs a #3 or #1 AAA bull the most.

Looking at the age of her pedigree Reality Red looks a good match for her or Bret Les would offer something different.
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I have to agree with Kingmambo on inbreeding.

Not all Sudan sons are being bred to Man-O-Man though. There's an interesting bull in Semex called
Loethe [sign in to see URL] is a Sudan x Baxter x Mr Sam x Hi Metro. Outcross for what is used today in a way.





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