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When we used him he was [sign in to see URL]% for both Fat & Protein and + 257kgs Milk (again on our irish base), though he has slipped a bit since but is still [sign in to see URL] & [sign in to see URL] respectively with a little more milk (+267kgs). 

See this is back to country of origin and conversions again but allround is -% fat in UK now. And yes companies should take interest in what one irish dairy farmer feels they need on their Breeding programme
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We may get lucky with Allround as the majority of his daughters in our herd are out of high fat dams but again I don't want it to reduce their ability!!

I should also have added that we used him sexed!!!

I understand your connections with a certain company Moorcastle, but in reality do you actually see them seeking out bloodlines with lower milk and higher components for one small niche market?? The rest of the world seems driven by pure volume, its just not the same market here.

without naming names a certain company pulled out of ROI, and reading between the lines, in my opinion, it was because they just couldn't supply what the majority of irish dairy farmers want right now

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Every company should be taking note not just the one I have my faith in, market or no market the amount of genomic tested bulls in the world in a year there's bound to be one somewhere, and if not, why not? There are modern holstein bulls out there with lower milk and high % components with fertility etc, tho a lot of these seem to fall into showring type bulls rather than herd cows.

It maybe wasn't totally the supply of product that made that company pull out of roi tho.
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Do the showring type bulls have the fertility though? Do they not tend to bring a lot of stature and thus a negative impact on herd life and fertility?

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Fair few of them would be lower fertility not all. Maybe more body condition score than stature relates to the fertility
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Two very important traits where I'd be concerned are Body condition score which needs to be good - high fertility bulls will breed this anyway and then negative stature - cows have gotten too big, too awkward, too high a maintenance cost - our experience is the bigger cows have more problems.

So all I want is - a decent level of milk packed with fat & protein, sky high fertility, cows that maintain good body condition and are average sized and capable of making 5 + lactations on a 375 day calving interval - find me that and I'll use the bull, maybe even sexed (trying to bring it back on topic)!!!!

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I understand your connections with a certain company Moorcastle, but in reality do you actually see them seeking out bloodlines with lower milk and higher components for one small niche market?? The rest of the world seems driven by pure volume, its just not the same market here.




There is more than one market for lower milk, higher components. A very large % of Australian farmers are paid on milk solids and docked on milk volume. Also don't forget New Zealand. The Kiwi index system isn't everyone's cup of tea, but it's what works for them.

No I don't see them seeking out these specific types of lines though.

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I knew about New Zealand alright but wasn't aware that Australia had the same system.
I should have guessed Australia had that system as Irish semen is being exported there

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Had tried Cogent sexed semen 3 or 4 years ago and had no luck with rubbish conception and the very few pregancies we did get producing bull calves.

The last 18 months tried again with Semex sexed ultra semen, inseminating both youngstock at the grass and housed during winter. With Wa-del Bryant and Bombero got 11 out of 15 settled with both, onto using Flame and Toc Farm Fitz only used one of each and both have held, makes life alot easier if I can get these rates to continue!

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