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Thanks AVHP!! I guess I should have double checked with Victor; too many Hanoverhill bulls can get confusing.

Prelude's proof crashed once his second crop daughters came, yet he still went on to be the father of Outside and Mtoto. Those two bulls alone secured his legacy, and what great bulls they where!!!



You're always welcome! Well, Foxleigh did a better research than mine, there is actually two Victors carrying the HH prefix. But I thought you meant the one everybody knows (or should, I still believe he is underrated now and should not be!)

As for Prelude, he was just an awesome bull, loved then despised, then should have been loved again despite the role Blackstar or Blackstar and Sheik in Outside's case had to play. Here also he bred good sons, even more missed than Outside has ever could been.



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interestingly we have 5 straws of prelude from his progeny test days and then didn't use when his proof crashed but interesting those progeny test daus were among his best so maybe we should've.....
but I still wish I had more manhats
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How were/are the Manhattans? You almost make me feel I missed something not buying him back then, especially as he weren't that expensive. Thing was he got sampled in Germany at the same time as in the US and that's how we could have his straws for rather cheap prices.

Also he had a full brother at TWG back to the days Louis Prange was still running the company, called Mr Marbuck. I remember he started in the top 100 TPI and was leased to Select Sires then, after his indexes decreased and he fell off the radar. Did anyone use him also?

If my memories aren't biased, Manhattan was the one siring a bit more substance and moderate feet and legs while Marbucks were the ones with slower maturity and better legs.
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Also one that shouldn't be missed is Maple Wood Admiral, better known here as Baba. He was a full brother to Mapel Wood Ideal mentioned earlier and Maple Wood Tiger Cat. Milked a few of his daughters and they were correct medium-sized cows with lots of rib, udders weren't fancy shaped but had a nice texture, easy to milk and low SCC. But the best thing he did was to be Heldostar's MGS. Oh, yes that Heldostar that was the cross of a Starbuck son out of another Starbuck son's first crop daughter, a pretty useful bull that many missed.
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as AHVP i'm from France, and i have to say like him Lincoln, Coypel (even if i am quite young, my father still said me that this one made great ones), Besné Buck , Bookie, Astre...

Lincoln is IMO very underrated, very stong cows, very long lasting. I have used the last straw i have found in a friend's tank in 2014, but i get a male calf from it emoticon
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Juju, did you (or your dad) milk any Besnes? Just curious how they were except the one my neighbor had - slow milker.

As for Lincoln, again couldn't agree more. I know germans sampled a few sons with success and if health traits were already where they are now, they would have hit hard.
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Lincoln is IMO very underrated, very stong cows, very long lasting. I have used the last straw i have found in a friend's tank in 2014, but i get a male calf from it emoticon



I know what it is to have bad luck with the last straw. After the big disappointment with Fatal, Gaiac etc. I went back to basics - Coypel, Chou, Tricorne and others, couldn't find any more straws from Owner (for those who aren't familiar with him, he's Tricorne's full bro, named Bower Sexation Lancelot on CDN) and the last Tricorne was a male... On the other hand I had a late Startmore Supreme that wasn't special at all.
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Lincoln had a full brother in Germany at that time, who was quite popular over there. Forgot about his name. Astronauts were to stubborn to die, Lincoln was double astronaut. My Rubens out of Lincoln is 5 times Astronaut. Nice piece of line breeding.
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only had 2
diamond born 26.9.02 classified VG87 april 2011.
currently on her 7th lactation ave 4.6% fat and 3.7% protein.
last lactation she got a production achievement award which we didn't expect as she is a cow who just goes in and out.She got her 70,000l lifetime award at the end of her 6th as well as a lifetime fat award.She is currently a 1 star brood cow.
her dam was a GP80 7 lactation laddie(home bred inspiration son) who was 2 star brood.
then a 7 lactation VG85 hanoverhill roxy D STP and 70,000l lifetime award,then a vg85 4 lactation QKL (full bro to dam of laddie).
Her 4 progeny are 2 GP durhams, a GP 82 raider king (raider x renegade) and a very nice aftershock bull.Her last bull calf was a seaver who got ringed because he looked like a jerseycross.

manhat Quality who was put down 3 weeks ago as she went down with a broken stifle was also born in 2002 - oct and also went vg87 in 2007 - nov.She has only had 2 reg progeny - a SGblitz who never come home from agistment and a freshly calved senior 2 by PVSHOCK(shottle x durham dau of idee lustre).
Another one of those cows who just came and went altho not quite the high producer diamond is still finished 7 lactations.
She was from a 7 lactation vg 87 7 lactation leader x a 6 lactation tempo lad (tempo bro to QKL)VG88 STP 5 starbrood x gp80 4 +lact andes kemp3 then 3 gen of high VG 7 lactation plus cows.
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Lincoln had a full brother in Germany at that time, who was quite popular over there. Forgot about his name. Astronauts were to stubborn to die, Lincoln was double astronaut. My Rubens out of Lincoln is 5 times Astronaut. Nice piece of line breeding.




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