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rock salt and gypsum


just wondering what people thought of himalayn rock salt? .
Aslo what advantages has gpsum over hydrated lime for animla bedding i kn ow yiu need to watch out for h2s gas on agitating with the gyp is gyp easier to handle?

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I suppose it depends where you are, gypsum has been banned in Northern Ireland as a bedding material.

I have no experience of rock salt.


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Rock salt is just salt.
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 I dont agree that rocksalt is just rocksalt.
 Himalayan rock salt has over 84 different minerals there are only 114 minerals in the world! it is not just salt. Rocksalts are purely salt which is alright just for buffering acid rumen diets. animals lacking trace elements will lick himalayan salt to satisfy their nutrient deficiency. rocksalt should be a at least 100euro per ton less than Himalayan salt the 2 can be confused as look very similar.
Drimakilly supplies are still selling recycled gypsum recycled gypsum sourced from a local [sign in to see URL] wasnt banned.
 gypsum was not allowed under envir waste management legislTION purely as animal bedding wasn't included as an allowed use for recycled gypsum sOME ONE forgot to include IT in waste management legislation. Virgin gypsum (not recycled)is also available for same price down south anyway.
  from a health and safety point of view it wont be a good idea to have animals or humans around ANY slurry agitation irrespective of whether gypsum had been used or not. gypsum kills bad bugs and helps breaks down the slurry, less agitation less adding [sign in to see URL] always go for the tea when we start the agitation any excuse! hydrogen sulfide from gypsum slurry smells like rotten eggs cant misrtake that smell
other deadly slurry gasses have no smell one second you are perfectly fine the next second you are brown bread!
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 I dont agree that rocksalt is just rocksalt.
 Himalayan rock salt has over 84 different minerals there are only 114 minerals in the world! it is not just salt. Rocksalts are purely salt which is alright just for buffering acid rumen diets. animals lacking trace elements will lick himalayan salt to satisfy their nutrient deficiency. rocksalt should be a at least 100euro per ton less than Himalayan salt the 2 can be confused as look very similar.
Drimakilly supplies are still selling recycled gypsum recycled gypsum sourced from a local [sign in to see URL] wasnt banned.
 gypsum was not allowed under envir waste management legislTION purely as animal bedding wasn't included as an allowed use for recycled gypsum sOME ONE forgot to include IT in waste management legislation. Virgin gypsum (not recycled)is also available for same price down south anyway.
  from a health and safety point of view it wont be a good idea to have animals or humans around ANY slurry agitation irrespective of whether gypsum had been used or not. gypsum kills bad bugs and helps breaks down the slurry, less agitation less adding [sign in to see URL] always go for the tea when we start the agitation any excuse! hydrogen sulfide from gypsum slurry smells like rotten eggs cant misrtake that smell
other deadly slurry gasses have no smell one second you are perfectly fine the next second you are brown bread!



So what. It contains tiny amounts of minerals, most things do. Some radioactive. If cows are deficient how about give them the mineral they need.

My cows will lick plastic if I let them. Does that mean I should feed them plastic.
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Stay as far away from gypsum as you can.
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i dont think there is any need to be rude
himalayan rock salt contains
97% nacl
[sign in to see URL]% ca
[sign in to see URL]% mg in a readily available natural form i.e much easier absorbed than manmade chemical nutrients the above couldnt be considered low levels! there are in total 84 minerals some of which are in trace amounts
Why did you assume that himalayan rock salt would be fed INSTEAD of minerals?

if you can avoid JUST 2 vet call out bills by using minerals that will pay for a ton of minerals.
 there is a reason why so many farmers in uk 10 years and now starting in ireland to use himalayan salt.
 are these farmers foolish to want a natural pure FEED SUPPLEMENT which is totally safe and self limiting, there is no waste ,no rubbish fillers and it can easily be provided to the animals inside or outside all you need is to put it into a plastic barelL in collecting yard or the paddocks.
 oh and good value for money 420e per ton delivered, no shelf life!
Depraved appetite is caused by a mineral deficiency most often salt deficiency though sometimes a trace mineral deficiency but IN EITHER CASE manifests as a salt craving Depraved appetite symptoms
 eating faeces licking urine , soil concrete, metal ,eating plastics. i would agree that cows are naughty monkies and would probably try to eat plastic even if not deficient!

  Most soils in ireland are highly deficient in sodium west of sligo to waterford definitely. In this area it is a safe to assumption that they are deficient. deficiency problems are exacerbated by soil compaction mostly from animal compaction not machinery damage
  
 3 year 3 pronged programme
1. Liming with lime, kieserite , gypsum helps if tests show need for mg or calcium
2 mechanical soil aeration
and
3. slurry biological treatments, not bugs to ensure slurry is digested properly before going onto land as otherwise slurry killing earthworms ,no earthworms in soil no air no soil life, dead unresponsive soil requiring 2.5 times nitrogen fertilizer to get same result. this has been tried and tested by lakelands coop and devenish nutrition in cavan monaghan Does any of this make sense? sounds logical to me if you disagree please correct me where you think im going wrong that's why we do this.. to learn from each other......
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i dont think there is any need to be rude
himalayan rock salt contains
97% nacl
[sign in to see URL]% ca
[sign in to see URL]% mg in a readily available natural form i.e much easier absorbed than manmade chemical nutrients the above couldnt be considered low levels! there are in total 84 minerals some of which are in trace amounts
Why did you assume that himalayan rock salt would be fed INSTEAD of minerals?

if you can avoid JUST 2 vet call out bills by using minerals that will pay for a ton of minerals.
 there is a reason why so many farmers in uk 10 years and now starting in ireland to use himalayan salt.
 are these farmers foolish to want a natural pure FEED SUPPLEMENT which is totally safe and self limiting, there is no waste ,no rubbish fillers and it can easily be provided to the animals inside or outside all you need is to put it into a plastic barelL in collecting yard or the paddocks.
 oh and good value for money 420e per ton delivered, no shelf life!
Depraved appetite is caused by a mineral deficiency most often salt deficiency though sometimes a trace mineral deficiency but IN EITHER CASE manifests as a salt craving Depraved appetite symptoms
 eating faeces licking urine , soil concrete, metal ,eating plastics. i would agree that cows are naughty monkies and would probably try to eat plastic even if not deficient!

  Most soils in ireland are highly deficient in sodium west of sligo to waterford definitely. In this area it is a safe to assumption that they are deficient. deficiency problems are exacerbated by soil compaction mostly from animal compaction not machinery damage
  
 3 year 3 pronged programme
1. Liming with lime, kieserite , gypsum helps if tests show need for mg or calcium
2 mechanical soil aeration
and
3. slurry biological treatments, not bugs to ensure slurry is digested properly before going onto land as otherwise slurry killing earthworms ,no earthworms in soil no air no soil life, dead unresponsive soil requiring 2.5 times nitrogen fertilizer to get same result. this has been tried and tested by lakelands coop and devenish nutrition in cavan monaghan Does any of this make sense? sounds logical to me if you disagree please correct me where you think im going wrong that's why we do this.. to learn from each other......



You're assuming that feeding rock salt reduces vet call outs.

Feeding standard salt is fine for a salt deficiency, rock salt is not a requirement for cows.

Feeding rock salt for .5% calcium and magnesium is an extremely expensive source of those two minerals.

Most minerals in rock salt are in the parts per billion range, they would be contained in every feed the cow consumes anyway. Many of them are not needed and if they are they in too low concentrations to make a difference.

You are assuming because something is natural it must be good or needed by the cows. Arsenic is natural, why don't you feed your cows arsenic.

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 emoticon Got to love Bazza!

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we feed himalayan rock salt do not know about the minerals but it is very hard and lasts a long time
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