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Mackie88: Not sure it matters if it relates to human medicine for antibiotic resistance or not. Overuse of antibiotics will result in resistance for mastitis-causing pathogens. It isn't just a human issue. Plus dry cow therapy is pretty expensive, the use will most likely continue to decline for economic purposes, as well as public perception.



Agree on the animal resistance, I was pressing my milk buyer to find out what their perception of it was, to see if they were going to make selective therapy compulsary.

The extra money they spend on having a dedicated supplier group is so they can have hard data to go on when quoting in the press is what they say. If tommorow a study is released to show a link between over use of anti biotics in agriculture and human resistance they can hit back straight away with statements to turn negative PR into potentially postive eg. their suppliers use less than the national average amount of antibiotics.

Linking johnes and chrones in humans is one they are pretty nervy about, everyone has to Johnes test with milk recording samples. Again so if the link is made they can put an ad in the newspapers tommorow saying their milk is sourced from 100% johnes free cows.

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The other problem is just because an antibiotic is used in food animal production and not human medicine NOW, doesn't mean it won't be used in human medicine eventually. So creating resistance still can have unforeseen consequences in the future. I know some are against the idea of limiting use of dry cow therapy... I'm just not sure we will have much of a choice. Studies have begun looking at the effects of dumping antibiotic milk into manure lagoons (manure storage), and how that effects microbes in the soil.
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I have been using Orb-seal only for several
years and have very few [sign in to see URL] some cows calve with slightly high cell count but usually clear up [sign in to see URL] dry cows clean is a big [sign in to see URL]
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We've been doing it for 18 months. Anything with no cases of mastitis that lactation and with the four previous months under 150 cell count.
Only using antibiotics on about 30% of dry cows if that and no problems at all.



Are you using teat seal on those without antibiotics.


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I've been to one of the Arla workshops on selective dry cow therapy today, and it would appear that we didn't get the best advice when we were persuaded to try it by our vet a couple of years ago.

Criteria for suitable cows to use it on was too high, and there was a basic mistake in the application advice.

We'll give it another try on a more limited basis and see how we get on.
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I've been to one of the Arla workshops on selective dry cow therapy today, and it would appear that we didn't get the best advice when we were persuaded to try it by our vet a couple of years ago.

Criteria for suitable cows to use it on was too high, and there was a basic mistake in the application advice.

We'll give it another try on a more limited basis and see how we get on.



What was your criteria initially and what are the recommendations now.
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I've been to one of the Arla workshops on selective dry cow therapy today, and it would appear that we didn't get the best advice when we were persuaded to try it by our vet a couple of years ago.

Criteria for suitable cows to use it on was too high, and there was a basic mistake in the application advice.

We'll give it another try on a more limited basis and see how we get on.



What was your criteria initially and what are the recommendations now.



We were originally told anything with cell counts for the lactation all below 200 & no case of clinical mastitis. Advice yesterday was to start at 100 cell count limit and then increase that if things work OK.

I know it sounds a bit lame today, but we weren't initially told about pinching the top of the teat to stop it just going up into the udder, only not to massage it up as we would antibiotic. (I had worked that mistake out for myself long before yesterday's meeting)

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The one we had that got the bad [sign in to see URL] infection after getting the teat seal only had an average SCC of 17!!!
yes that is 1 and 7
expensive selective therapy if you ask me

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My vet says that there is a school of thought that you can have an scc that is too low. The thinking goes that these cows don't have enough "good bugs" to protect themselves.

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The one we had that got the bad [sign in to see URL] infection after getting the teat seal only had an average SCC of 17!!!
yes that is 1 and 7
expensive selective therapy if you ask me



From some of the info at the meeting I'd say that as an industry if we don't take steps to cut blanket dry cow therapy the regulators will do it for us.

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