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Ayrshire, Red catle, SRB


All these breeds are in one interbull base. Do You mean that it is right ?

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Well they must have something in common, otherwise it wouldn't be possible to link them and put them on one base? I guess the common factor are the Red Holstein bulls?

Most stupid thing we have in the Netherlands is a seperate base for the Red and Whites. The best bulls are close to 100% Holstein and from black and white dams anyway, so I can't see the point. It only makes the red and whites look better than they actually are.

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I mean that they have same genetic roots from old Ayrshire breed. And Ayrshires is relative to holsteins.

I can not understand , why in Holland and Germany they have different base for black and red holsteins.

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Gerbrich - I totally agree with your last post, as far as ranking the R&Ws, they are still just holsteins, and should be treated as such. Having said that, I still like to see the R&Ws shown seperatly, mostly because of numbers, most R&Ws would never go to a B&W show, but the very best of them could compete, there just isn't enough of them.
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the SRB have a very minut amount of holstein genes in them and they regard any use of red holstein as crossbreeding, consequently such crosses can't be registred as SRB.
the SRB stems from ancient Swedish reds that have been crossed with Ayshires, anglers, milking shorthorns and a wee bit of Brown Swiss.
they are more separeted from the modern holsteins than say the old dutch friesians,
so why shouldn't the have their own genetic base ?

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I agree , why exist diferent basis from same breed and only colours is diferent ?
Roots holstein genes is very near to all breed around North See , maximum 130 years is very short time span for big disparity. Holstein-friesian before import to North America be crossing with shorthorn cattle . Only diferent selection in diferent countries is disparity separate breeds.
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Danish red and Angler are almost full of red holstein blood.

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quote:

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Danish red and Angler are almost full of red holstein blood.


the main influence from danish reds goes back to the sixties at which time the Red Danes where more of a Brown Swiss breed.
And the very limited use of Anglers also goes back to the days before the Holstein era.
If you think 130 years is not enough time to create a "new" breed would that mean you also consider all dogs to be wolfs ?



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Please look , what are sires of best Danish and Angler bulls.


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