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Holstein World R & W Issue


Did anyone notice this paragraph from the article on pages 16 and 17?

"Now, flip the coin over and imagine the consequences our breed would face had red and white cattle not been accepted in today's industry. That means cows like Nannette TT Speckle, Stelbro Renita Ranger, and even Continental Scarlet-Red would not have realized their potential. Thus, the industry would not have experienced Blackrose, the four-time World Dairy Expo Red & White Champion, and the only red cow to be named Champion at the Royal Winter Fair."

This makes it sound like he is saying that Blackrose was red. I'm sure that is not how he meant it, but that is how I read it.

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In Tim's listing of names, it is Speckle, Renita, and Scarlet. Then in the accomplishments it is Blackrose, Renita's 4 Wins, and then Scarlet winning the royal. I see how you could take it the wrong way but if you follow the pause at the commas then it is clear what he means.
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I don't care for the article about the 3 red bulls. I think it is much like the piece they did on Quality Skyfame a few months back. The stud or people with an interest in the bulls gave all the comments, and I came away thinking it was all a crock.

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I totally agree BB. Those articles are so obviously biased i cannot think why they chose to print them. Was there nothing else to write about. emoticon
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Ditto - Anyone not getting the red bloodlines has missed a real treat, of an artical on Triple Threat. Seems everything old is new again. Quoting John Carpinter
about a lesson we can all learn about TT, and management traits, that were not all that important 30 yrs ago, but are today. "The value of management traits, is now much easier to understand why Threat was more popular than his production proof would suggest. In addition to his great type, and high commponents, he excelled in scc score, ce, fertility, disposition and more. Production is of little real value if it is accopanied by high scc, cows that don't breed back easily, or difficult calvings. Threat was a bull ahead of his
time in all those areas. His productive life rating of +2.5, dispite his low production is testiment to that." This is just a small part of a great article. Too bad index systems, net merit, net dollers, lbs protein, ect, got in the way of breed improvement. Threat although considered a TYPE ONLY bull, now manys years after he has passed, we realize he was a health trait specailist, funny how history can come back and bite all the exsperts in the rear end.
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I agree for the most part on your comments about Triple Threat, but wouldn't the Red Breed be better served moving forward and trying to keep up genetically with the B&W's.

Rather than chacing a few last drops of expensive TT semen.
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Tob - you missed the point, his color pattern really has nothing to do with the artical.
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well said Canuk.
Tob, here in Sweden we have this tiny little breed called SRB, about 160 000 in total I think, that are competing with the Swedish Holsteins. You can probably imagine the limited supply of good bulls the SRB people have at their disposal and as a result they lag behind the Holsteins by roughly 1000 kg of milk per year, yet they manage to make just as much profit as the Holstein breeders.
Why? the SRBs are better for health traits.

If you use a different yardstick when you measure your genetic gain you might get a surprising result.

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Interesting Article appears in the February 10,2005: Hoard's Dairyman PG. 109

"Better Dead than [sign in to see URL] Years Later" by Miles McCarry

I guess It's been 35 years since Holstein Association allowed R&W into the official herdbooks,talks about the early years and how*RC & Red calves where hidden.
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Dutch Health figures for Triple Threat

Mat. calving process 100
Mat. vitality 99
Female fertility 104
Udder health 105
Milking speed 103
Temperament 106
Body weight 104
       
Conditionscore 107

I saw the best daughter that TT ever produced in Holland as an old cow she was called Tulipe EX 98 and was 25% Simmental (born in Switzerland).
She calved every year regularly, milked 18,000kgs @ 3.5% P, had a low scc all her life and became champion of Europe.
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