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SRB/NRF and Red Dane
What Scandinavian Red Bulls are you using?
We are milking some nice Stopafors and have some lovely Jurist's to calf in the spring.
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21/7/2005, 11:55
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Craigalea
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where are the svensk bulls from?, we have a stocken 775 out of a 620 prastbol. or am i barking up the wrong tree here?
Also have an arajarra kittys extra (aussie red)
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22/7/2005, 5:15
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Re: SRB/NRF and Red Dane
These are all Sweedish Red bred bulls.
How is the Kitty doing in comparison to the HF.
Are you going to use more of them?
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22/7/2005, 8:32
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Had 3 of them, 1 had not enough milk and too much cell count sold on 4th calf.
another had tons of production with protein at almost 4% also sold for the high cell count (blowing her ligament to bits didnt help either), the other has an avg prod of 6067L 261kgF and 228 kg protein, one year she had cell count probs, the next she had a fine production and two weeks ago, a couple of weeks after drying off she aborted! shes comeing on her milk enough to keep her we like her so as long as she milks shes staying.
All were good temperament the best type one is the one that is left, not very dairy but correct, she has 2 daughters 1 is a donor (should be interesting), i was gonna join her to talent.
They dont produce copious amount of milk but the one thats left has almost our average production.
Im useing some red friesian to crodd on the reds and crosses we have then i was looking at useing T bruno over them or valendale blaze for something different, maybe the t bruno son fyn cent.
One of the best reds we had was a dansk tarv she has a 87 point hf daughter and a 83 point grand daughter good porduction all of them too.
have you had/seen the fyn rocks we only ended up with one cow but she was one of the biggest and longest cows we ever had, calving ease probably similar to leducs tho.
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23/7/2005, 3:21
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Why is it that the Scandinavian breeds are being regarded as the answer over a range of systems?
I'm not having a go here, its a genuine question.
Broa has said his cows are housed for 8 months of the year, so I can see why they might have areas of developement that might help with the intensive, housed herds.
But why would the same breed also suit the grazers at the other end of the scale?
Over the last twenty years the Holstein has been used over the range of systems, and its plain they aren't the breed for everyone. I can't see how using a different breed over the whole range again will work long term either. Surely in time faults that aren't apparent today will emerge?
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30/7/2005, 11:54
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Re: SRB/NRF and Red Dane
Possibly because of a thirty three year old selection program that did not concentrate solely on output but also looked at the health and fitness traits.
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31/7/2005, 5:49
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Craigalea
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From what ive seen the crosses can be heaps better than holstein, if your willing to sacrifice bone quality in 1 generation that is.
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1/8/2005, 7:15
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Re: SRB/NRF and Red Dane
I have the same questions as BB. After the 1st cross then what? You are garenteed less milk, but better health traits, if A.Is would back off the "SUPER" extreme index program, all the same things are available within the holstein breed. Mention a bull that is not a big + on production, and everyone thinks your out to lunch, or not open minded towards the commercial breeder.
There are things we can learn from these breeds, and their prgrams, which as SMOUS says they are 30 yrs ahead of N.A. But what of the serious pedigree breeder? is a breeder like mmt95 going to improve his herd by this approach?? I think NOT. Something to think about?
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3/8/2005, 18:50
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Re: SRB/NRF and Red Dane
Just so you know I am not having a go at these breeds, there is a very interesting bull named SALTE, looks to have about the best proof I can see. Find it hard to ignore this bull, he peeks my interest for sure,but how can I use him to make more money? This is the big question a bull like this will hurt in a pure pedigree today, that is a fact. What I would really like to know is what of 3-4 generations down the line, the whole industry is changing fast, is it possable that this in a pedigree in the future will be a plus?
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4/8/2005, 15:22
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The crosses we have are usually fries x red x fries x fries and we have had some good results. They generally have good fertility and the resulting two friesean crosses are vg87 and gp83 (1st calf). I could look up a few pedigrees when i get home if you would like to see some results
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5/8/2005, 1:37
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