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Does anyone have a view on the implications for the industry and individual farmers on the proposed decoupling etc ?
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I dont know a wild pile about it but it seems scary!! Why cant farmers just be paid a decent price (what their produce is worth) and they can keep 100% of their subsidies!
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EXACTLY Jonny!!

I don't understand the whole CAP thing and to be honest I don't think I want to!! All farmers, dairy, beef, mushrooms, whatever it is should get a fair price for their produce then we wouldn't need the subs.
I know there are issues relating to world trade and the like, which I don't even pretend to understand either, all I want is to be able to pack in this "Mind numbing, spirit crushing" office job and return to the farm full time in a few years, all I need for that is enough money to convince my wife that it's the right move!! :urhh
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I think the idea behind this is that those businesses which are professional in their approach should be able to survive without susidy, those that are dependant on subsidy should be encouraged to leave the industry.

Personally I agree with this approach, provided it is applied world wide (fat chance)

I produce milk. What I want is a fair price for my milk paid for by market forces. I don't want to have to rely on susidies that are raised from taxes to make my farm pay.(I know this sounds a little idealist)

I believe that if decoupling takes place the milk quota price will crash due to a large number of farmers quitting milk production. National quota is unlikely to be met so quota costs will become nominal. This, as a tenant farmer, will present me with the best chance to expand and improve my production in the last twenty years.

I'm not saying things will be easy, because that won't be the case, but those who can survive the change should hopefully be looking at a brighter future.
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Send the wife out to the office job. Best sub of the lot !
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says the man who tells his wife what to do (not) MOOH
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its a very sad sign that the dairy industry (worldwide) needs to be subsidized by wives working off farm and bank overdrafts/loans.We are literally subsidizing everyone elses income by providing a quality product for below the cost of production,thus enabling everyone else outside the farmgate cheap food and a better lifestyle.
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The way things are heading at the moment it would seem that (if the CLA get their way)the sub could be divded up by region and then put onto land.This is bad news for dairy farmers and not a little unfair.The ones who will miss out the most will be the most efficent with higher quota ownership.It also looks serious for tennant farmers because the land lords could make more money per acre from sub than their tennants can afford in rent.If all this comes off the current quota price of 18p+ looks very expensive!


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Mark, if the sub was put onto quota held, would we not end-up with a "milk baron" senario somewatt like the "barly barons" I dont have near as much quota as most cowtalk members have so it would suit me to wave it linked to land.
The last thing we need is for the subs to be paid in a way that encourages us all into a catch 22 produce more to survive as indivduals, forsing the ppl down due to over supply. MAKEING THE MIDDLE MEN EVEN RICHER.
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The original idea was that the sub was allocated to the quota but would then be attached to the holding.So it wouldn't stick with the quota but it would be a fair way of allocating it to those that those who have invested in quota over the years and who are producing the milk at the moment.If you were to buy quota in the future you wouldn't be buying entitlements as it would have to stick with the land.(This is how my small brain interprets it..happy to be corrected!!) If this new idea is implemented a dairy farmer with 200 acres and 200 cows would recieve the same payments as a sheep farmer with 200 acres and 50 sheep.
As usual the efficent dairy farmer is the one to lose out.
I also understand that farmers in scotland will recieve less per hectare than those in England.

I'm sure there must be someone who understands all this more than me and can explain it much better!!!!!!!!!!

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