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Ridge-Star Journalist
I think it is the general view of all breeders on here that they will not use any more leduc just yet, so what is everyones opinion about his paternal brother journalist?
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10/10/2003, 17:09
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simon powell
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Re: Ridge-Star Journalist
Pleased with mine!!!
Have just begun to hear lots of favourable comments from various different sources. I think that he may well be a bull that is appreciated more in the longer term than he is at present. Slightly more correct through the legs, thurls and rump than the progeny of some other Jed sons. Won't be the highest yielding 2yo but just watch them develop!!!
Can occasionally throw a thick set one if not used on a dairy cow.
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11/10/2003, 1:00
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skyreach
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Re: Ridge-Star Journalist
Have heard some good repotrs about journalist heard of 5 classifing vg in one herd 89 2 87 86 and 85 i think but was told it was hard to get semen at the minute.
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13/10/2003, 15:09
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Big Bird
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Re: Ridge-Star Journalist
Journalist will be the heaviest usage bull here since United Nick. We have a good number of heifers from milkers down to baby calves.
What we have calved so far are about what we were expecting. Milky enough without being real fliers, and tidy heifers that look like maturing into real good cows. So far pleased with the decision to use the bull.
Skyreach, semen is going to be hard to come by because I believe the bull is dead.
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13/10/2003, 20:41
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MarkDay
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Re: Ridge-Star Journalist
Only heard one person complain about their's so far , most people seem very happy.Our first is due now and she is at that "holstein stage" in other words the udder is looking a bit worrying but I'm sure she'll be OK in a month or so!!!We have another that is due end of Jan that I was hoping might go to the national next year but she hasn't grown for a while so it's looking less likely 
Don't know if we've just been unlucky but a couple have had feet problems which isn't good when the heifers haven't even calved yet.
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13/10/2003, 21:17
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Zuckerman
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Re: Ridge-Star Journalist
Did any company use him as a sire of sons?
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14/10/2003, 11:09
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MarkDay
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Re: Ridge-Star Journalist
Interesting question,Semex don't seem to have any.
Alta may have I suppose as he is their bull but Leduc and Gibson would be further up the priority list .
We have a Journalist bull with calves on the ground .He is from a 91 point Juror from the Conductor Peggy family.The Juror has given 72T life time.Any companies interested?? :quest
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14/10/2003, 15:01
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mckeague
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Re: Ridge-Star Journalist
I'm surprised Cogent aren't taking him on!!!!??!!!
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14/10/2003, 15:03
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shilt79
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Re: Ridge-Star Journalist
I heard from a fairly reliable source that the bull died, so I went ahead and bought another cane, and think I'm going to try to get one more. Also, he hasn't been on the pricelist out in the US since springtime. This is puzzling to me, as he is the most complete Jed son out there. His calves are quite fancy, and I hear good reports in the states and Canada of his second crop dtrs freshening. I also inspected many of his first crop daughters, and was equally impressed. What puzzles me, is that when compared side by side to Leduc, he gives nothing up, except for two things.......he hasn't been advertised, and Leduc has. And the other one.... Leduc has been used on everyone's good cow, and Journalist has been the poor man's Leduc. But when the two are compared, they are nearly equal on lbs. of milk, Journalist has higher fat and protein percentages and lbs. Journalist has a higher type proof, and udder and foot and leg composites are higher than Leduc. Also, of note is the fact that Journalist has nearly the lowest somatic cell score in Alta's lineup, and in all of Alta's lineup, guess who has the poorest score......Leduc. One more thing..... Journalist is positive .9 on productive life, and Leduc is a -1.6. This last figure really scares me. Should a bull that has been the highlight of Alta's advertising for the last couple of years be this poor on PL?? And he's not suffering from pedigree influence, or outside factors either, this is a 98% reliable proof. I have to admit, I don't keep track of PL, but when it's negative, and high reliability, I take note, and I stay away. (All these comparisons came from the bull's US proofs)
Obviously, it can be said that Leduc has made the show winners, after all he was just premier sire at Madison. And I don't dispute the fact he's made some good ones, but I think once you take a look at the numbers, and also take a look at the daughters that aren't at the shows, or never even stayed in the milking herd, it's obvious that Alta has been pushing the wrong Jed son. And they should have Journalist sons in their program instead of all the Leduc sons. I should make one more quick note.......one of the senior Alta analysts in the states, Pete Blodgett, has come under fire by Alta execs for the same argument - that they were pushing and advertising the wrong bull. When I talked with him this summer, I sure was glad to know I wasn't the only one thinking they had messed up.
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14/10/2003, 16:31
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Big Bird
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Re: Ridge-Star Journalist
We also have calves on the ground from Journalist son out of an EX Starbuck from Maplewood Sheik Betsy's family that will go over 80 tonnes in this lactation barring accidents (currently just over 77 tonnes). The calves look fairly promising.
We liked the bull so much we went back and flushed the cow to Journalist and have 2 heifer calves as a result.
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