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Excuse my ignorance but..........

Can anyone explain to me why an Integrity daughter can be red when he is not a carrier?

Are there any black/reds or carriers that don't trace back to telstar? Astro jet,Enhancer,triple threat all do?

Should HUK not have seperate codes for black/red and straight red carriers ,they are two seperate genes aren't they?

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I believe approximately 75% of the worlds cattle population are red and white .. so plenty of choice there .. not too sure I'd want to milk a hereford tho' emoticon or a longhorn for that matter. As for Telstar being part Brown Swiss it looks quite plausible given the facts on his DNA .. this would explain why Triple Threat had a very Dominant type pattern ( chest width,strong roundish bone, sloped rumps, tight fore udder) .. somewhat like a Brown Swiss ?? this would also explain why many of his daughters never bred on as expected ...

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HUK do have separate codes, BR for Black/Red and RC for True Red Carrier. emoticon

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But Telstar has RC after his name and not BR

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I think I know the cow you are on about Mark ...I've never seen this cow but I believe she is not a true red .. more like a Black/Red or a Red/Black .. she is from a Lindy from a red Triple Threat cow .. obviously some dominant colour from Triple Threat has imposed itself on the cows coat [sign in to see URL] this traces further back to Telstar the only source of this ''mysterious coat colour''.
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But Telstar has RC after his name and not BR



Just a thought but if Telstar was the first to carry the BR gene HUK probably didn't have that code back then? Was Triple-Threat a true red, or did he go black after a while? emoticon

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Will sent me this link,I thought it was interesting so I'll post it here
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Going Back to Integrity Sarah,
I thought that both parents had to have the BR gene (which Integrity doesn't) but this sentence may explain it

"There is a very rare genetic factor which, when present, suppresses the black color gene and allows the red to be expressed. Cattle known to carry this factor are red in color but do carry black (*BC). Details available from the office." - taken from the above link

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The red & whites that we have are just a bit of fun really but it certainly stirred up the ayrshire breeders in our neck of the woods!
An observation from these cows is that, when the heavens open , or the wind is howling across the atlantic - the red & whites are still found outside, munching away whilst the holsteins are rumped up in the house or by the hedge.
No they may not pay as many bills but they don't appear to need the up keep either. Also, their fat & protein is no different than the black & whites... so there goes that myth!
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I used to milk a red and white black king and it was true red no black red she was blood tested and she was a black king! the reson for this is her mother was a surinam treasure and his dam was the red sheik surinam sheik rosabel red so this was another mutation of the red breed
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I think this could be the *BC which supresses the black gene for [sign in to see URL] is also a link with the Integrity Sara cow .. both have Blackstar as a paternal grandsire and both are from either red or red carrying cow families. Kemview Vanetas Vision was initially thought to be a red carrier bull when he was progeny tested ...however susequent blood tests on the bull showed him not to be ..I can only assume he may have had a red daughter in his first crop which also was *BC , Vision has a Blackstar dam therefore Blackstar appears to be the common relative in all these [sign in to see URL] would then be the carry of this black suppressive gene ..(was Blackstar rumoured to be a red carrier at 1 time in his life ??) ... Blackstar traces back to 2 crosses of ABC Reflection Sovereign ... the bull which was apparently the source of red and white within the Holstein breed. ABC may just be the source of *BC as well as red and white.
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