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Dont get me wrong i dont mind milk bulls like Juror or his sons,welcome Garter,ugela bell,blacksar,cheif mark,leadman,rotate,good luck,emerson,dante,allen,hillcrest,blackstar wade,or [sign in to see URL] bulls are ok when used corectly like convincer on a rubens on a red marker this would be ok sometimes but what realy bugs me is that all the bull studs in the uk are index [sign in to see URL] out there must agree with me why does it have to be 100%index testing bulls with lines like cubby cleitus mountain winchester lantz this is insane yes u will have milk but low type i can see peoples point they need milk to make a living but surley they can get bulls with high milk type and [sign in to see URL] i was to select bulls i would need a line like this bell cheif mark blackstar leadman emory jed jordan surely this would have a balance of type and milk and not overdriven index with no [sign in to see URL] would also be nice if they would test a small percentage of young elite bulls from great cow familys like the wonderful Quality B C Frantisco,Comestar Lausindra Convincer,Lystel Lornie Skycheif,Lylehaven Sky Mickee,Hanoverhill Formation Carol,and Hanoverhill Celcius Star l to me these animals have true breeding families with great type and production.
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It sounds like my pub talk is making a more reasoned man of you Stephen. Can't disagree with the sentiment of your last message. Interestingly the latest young sires we are Sampling are:-

Emerson Ex96 x VG89 2yr old Mandel from Robthom Ivory Marks.
Emory Ex97 x Brigeen Integ Robin Ex96 x Ex91 Prel x Roxies.
Durham x OceanView Zandra Ex95 x Ex92Sex x Ex90Val x Ex91Ele
Eland x Ocean View Zandra Ex95
Marshall x Dixie Le Aspen Ex92
Durham x Markwell BS Raven Ex95
Durham x Wilsondale LM Tracy Ex92 (5 gens Ex)
Rubens x comestar L'or Black VG87 x Laurie Sheik
Integrity x Tri Day Ashlyn Ex96 x Ex92 Odyssey
Storm x Canyon Breeze Ashley Ex94 x Ex93 wister x Ex WCM
Storm x Comestar Lausan black (Full bro to Stormatic)
Skycheif x Krull Broker Elegance Ex96 x Ex90 Starbuck
Encore x Budjon Electra Ex94 x Krull B Elegance Ex96.
Forbidden x Regancrest Durham Bliss Vg89 2yrold x Ex92Juror
Eland x Kerdntway Jolt Daisy Ex94 x Ex Blackstar.

Hope this restores some faith in the sort of breeding we like in the UK. It gives both type and production a chance to come together. But we do need AI to find us the real outlyers to take us on to the next level. There are many examples of how we need to blend the high production sires occasionally with these cow families to keep things going. An injection of High production sires like Chief, Ivanhoe, Rotate and Bell have been very important in producing todays type sires. The out and out type sires do not seem to have been successful in siring sons themselves. It has to be either the balance or high production sires that do it.

Think about it. The top type sires of today are sons or grandsons of Elton, Blackstar, Leadman, Rotate, Aerostar, Clietus, Bell and Mark - all high production sires in their day.
Maybe tomorrows high type sires will have Bellwood, Winchester and even Mascot in there somewhere! Don't forget Aaron is out of a Mascot! Southland Marker is by Mascot. There is even an Ex94 Mascot from the Roxies at Mayerlane, Wisconsin which is sure to be bull dam.
All sires basically come from one of 4 lines - Chief, Elevation, Bell or Ned boy.
Componants comes from Ned Boy - so generally does bad type. Bell gives us lots of production , good feet and legs and BLad and CVM.
Chief gave us production and frame and none too brilliant componants. Elevation gave us udders.
Hell nothings perfect! We just have to keep blending and experimenting.
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Mark, I don't want to undermine your arguement about Uk genetics because I think its great that most of the best cows about are now Uk bred. I have to point out though, that whilst the cow above is a UK test daughter, she is from the same Canadian cow family that bred Rudolph, Sterling and Supreme!!!
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I was only pointing out that the cow is by a UK tested bull
A bull that may possibly breed All Britain cattle in the future.

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Yep thought it a 88pt 2yr from a british breed bull, when i seen the picture again. MARKDAY, are you trying to prove a point about a certain bull? if so i will not spoil it for the rest of the world who are trying to guess who the sire is
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Just think in 10 years time the Canadians may be coming over here and selecting some of the best UK cattle to import into their own country emoticon.Who knows 1 day it may a 100% UK bred cow led by 1 of our showmen that wins the Royal Winter Fair:[sign in to see URL] in life in achievable.... Dreams do come true !!!!!! emoticon
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Semex are already contracting cows in the UK for embryos. These will be planted in Canada and the males enter the Semex testing program. The females will go to a nucleus herd they are developing.

The families being looked at are not just 'Canadian cows in the UK', but UK families, some of which are not PI.

It's called moving with the times.
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Semenzoo-Italy and SRV Germany have also been over here contracting cows. We have introduced them to many great cow families over here.
Actually the freedom we have enjoyed in bringing in the best cow families, embryos and bull semen from around the world has probably helped the UK breeder to develop a national herd second to none for a blend of type and production. It has become an International melting pot of genetics, comparisons and ideas. This will definitely be the attraction for foreign buyers.
We must continue to use the best genetics from wherever to continue this development of our national herd. We must not start to generate or believe the self propaganda of believing we have reached the highest level and no longer need look over the fence.
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SPERRIN wrote:

Yep thought it a 88pt 2yr from a british breed bull, when i seen the picture again. MARKDAY, are you trying to prove a point about a certain bull? if so i will not spoil it for the rest of the world who are trying to guess who the sire is



Think the secrets out on this [sign in to see URL] here's another clue anyway!(see below)
Actually I wasn't trying to prove a point on a certain bull but just answering Stephen's question about a UK bull having an all Britain [sign in to see URL]'t know if this will be the bull but I don't see why not and if not there certainly will be one soon.



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Semenzoo-Italy and SRV Germany have also been over here contracting cows. We have introduced them to many great cow families over here.
Actually the freedom we have enjoyed in bringing in the best cow families, embryos and bull semen from around the world has probably helped the UK breeder to develop a national herd second to none for a blend of type and production. It has become an International melting pot of genetics, comparisons and ideas. This will definitely be the attraction for foreign buyers.



Which cow families are popular abroad and what matings have been made?..question to Bob and alan a

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