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Re: 2002 ALL BRITAIN WINNERS


The only 2 I can comment on are here in NI.

One was an Addison from the Roxie family. As one breeder said, must be a good family, it left a decent addison'. She is 87 points. Contract was to Braedale Freelance.

The other is an 88 Convincer from a 94 Chesapeake from Grantchester Mattador Jill Ex 94. The Mattador is a 16* brood cow, the last I heard. Don't know what the mating was to.

Other families here where the Ards Ruths and Hilltara Maudes. The Ruths actually trace back to the famous Shopland Ruth who won the World Forum in the 70s. A definite non-PI there.

Jim Morrison's Skyhigh Ivory Mandel was also a target, but too stale. She already has sons being tested by Alta, Semen World and a company over here.

Hope that's a help.
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Oh Dear, Oh Dear Oh Dear, please tell me that that picture isn't of a VG88 point 2yo, no offence to the breeder/owner but come on folks a heifer that scores 88 points as a 2 year old should be near perfect, and be able to compete with the best in the world........ the classification system in this country is way too easy, am I alone in thinking there are way too many heifers scoring VG?????? the Canadian classification of heifers is much harder than here and rightly so.
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No your not alone! There are far too many VG heifers and yes the Canadian system is [sign in to see URL] there are more than two holstein breeding countries in the world you know!!

Would she be 88 in [sign in to see URL] [sign in to see URL] where else in the [sign in to see URL].

We have to compete with all these other countries and why should we be put at a disadvantage to them?

Canada has built up a reputation over many years ,where as we still have some work to do in marketing what we have here in the UK.

In conclusion ,on the question of whether she should be 88 points,maybe not but is she worth 3 more points than the average UK VG 2yr ..yes I think so.

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I think you will find that the UK is inline with the rest of the world when it comes to classifying .. it is only the Canadian system that is very different. Theres not too many countrys in the world that compare their cattle to a porcelin model. Maybe the system we have here will prove to be more accurate in the long term .. after all we are not afraid to develop the system .. especially traits such as locomotion .. in the past foot angle used to be crucial to feet /legs.. these days a cow with a foot angle of 1 can get GP or VG legs and feet provided she can walk well.
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Will have you ever been to Canada?? If not not maybe you should consider it sometime. Canada is not very populated when it comes to holsteins, 10 times more in the USA, but think we are not doing to bad turning out a few good ones now and then. Oh yeah we know how to play hockey too.
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to be fair, 10x more holsteins in america there may be, but these are generally run on a more commercial dasis. ie getting as much milk out of them as is physically posssible.

who cares about ice hockey (we can get that kind of violence on a nite out in belfast) ONLY JOKING.
ps FEMALE BEACH VOLLEY BALL STILL RULES.
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I do think that to make the best LONG TERM progress, we need to be extremely self critical and harsh in our selection process. This should be reflected in our classification. It is alright arguing that we should be more in line with certain European countries so that we can compete more effectively, but this is a very short term view!!!!
The key is not to be too impatient. If we are harsh on ourselves, when we compete internationally, we will be competing with the genuine article. We may lose out on a few sales short term, but when other countries try our genetics and are pleased with their results, they will be back for more. If we disappoint them in the short term, they won't come back!!!!!!!!!
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The classification system affects everything, when we select bulls we want a good maternal line, the cow family is vital to how the bull breeds, if classsifications are tooe easy it gives a false impression on how good the maternal line is...... Classications must become harder
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quote:

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 Oh yeah we know how to play hockey too.



I suppose you all know how to curl as well!, Who won the olympics again?

Think everyone is getting a bit too UK vs. Canada! :blink

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How can u compare the uk classification to the canadian one how many traits does the uk score for not many i dont think.I have worked in Canada and England and i have seen both sides of the [sign in to see URL] first time i worked in Canada i used to look at a cow and say to the owner this is a great cow he would then say what do u mean she is just an average [sign in to see URL] what i belived to be a great cow in england was only average in canada so people think they are great breeders when realy the classification system is so [sign in to see URL] would have different veiws on milk bulls if the uk had a difficult classifiction system they would see the scores come right down.I belive a GP84 uk scored animal would just score GP80 or lower in most [sign in to see URL] was used in canada on some good cows he has 50 or more progeny his canadian type proof is bad he is only +4 for confirmation
-1 for dairy character and has some problems throgh the [sign in to see URL] must meen he cant compete with truly elite.
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