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Yes the fitter was banned, but the owner got off, saying he hadn't seen was going on. The Arsene Wenger defence, i think.

The main show in Southern Ireland ( Millstreet ) said a few years ago that all cows would be checked after judging. Any with glue or other 'fixers' would be disqualified. Entries were half of previous years.

As for teat setting, surely the important thing is where the teat is placed on the quarter, not which direction it points. A properly placed teat allows the quarter to drain cleanly, regardless what direction it points. Glueing can not effect teat placement.

I definitely agree though that whatever we do must be acceptable to the general public. Glueing teats to allow 24 hours of milk doesn't fall into that category, to my mind.
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Sealing teats......... it's such a crime..... never mind the poor cow running milk into the packs for hours until she gets shown, never mind if she gets Ecoli mastitis, loses a quarter or dies as long as the general public have a good perception of the industry........ Come on Matt back to the real world
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I'm afraid that if you were sealing teats in order to bag a cow up in the UK Moo2you2 you would be breaking the rules .. if you dont like the rules dont [sign in to see URL] fact maybe all cows should be examined for signs of sealing/fixing on leaving the ring and those found to be doing this punished.I believe there maybe a cloak of silence within the show fraternity to protect the members [sign in to see URL] bad news for them is that more and more of us on the outside know what may be going on and want it stamping [sign in to see URL] this topic should be Vanity or Insanity because what some of you showmen get up to is downright disgraceful.
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I think the general public might reckon that the crime was putting so much milk on that the cow ran her milk into the pack for hours.

Did you notice the effect that public opinion had on beef sales during BSE ? Do you remember the idiots blockading ports to stop live exports ? Would the showing experience be better with a few hundred people at the gates waving placards and chanting slogans ?

I heard an activist on the radio the other day talking about pus levels in milk (SCS to the rest of us). Have you any idea what they would do with stories of farmers sealing their cows teats to put extra milk on to win shows.

Try to live in the real world. If we want to use shows to market ourselves to the outside world, shooting ourselves in the foot is not very helpful.
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The whole thing with sealing and setting teats is that the average city person wouldn't have half a clue if a cow has had on glue put on her or not. I don't think that they can tell if a cow is overbagged either. If you go to [sign in to see URL] and look at some of the garbage they have on there, their main concern is bull calves being sold for veal, and the udders of cows dragging on the ground from over production. You'll also find a bogus claim that mastitis causes a cow's udder to drag on the ground. So, the bottom line is that most if not all of these people can't tell either way, and as long these practices don't hurt the cow, so what is it hurting them?
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it is impossible to get the udder as full as you want it without losing some of your teat placement on most cows.



How many kilos(or pounds) of milk should be in the udder when a cow is in the ring? emoticon

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I'll shall have to put the agruement a bit [sign in to see URL] a story was leaked to the press/television in the UK that farmers were using glues/blockers/elastic bands on cows to enable them to win a show I would bet you �50 that within 3 hours a television crew + reporters would decend to the nearest show possible within the UK and be interogating [sign in to see URL] would be televised nationwide probably with a strong bias towards cheating and cow discomfort with views also from animal rights activists, scientists and the so called know it [sign in to see URL] may or maynot have a direct effect on milk sales in the UK .. a reduction of 1p per litre on 1 million litres is worth �10,000 to a UK farmer ... it's the difference between enforced slavery and [sign in to see URL] we choose to live in glass houses we should not throw stones.


   Not sure how much milk is on a forced bagged cow Brian but I would bet it would seriously stretch the suspensory ligaments maybe even to a point where the bag would blow to bits when the cow calves again.
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Depends on the age and udder capacity of the cow. A typical 2nd lactation cow that we work with is looking at between 60 - 80 lbs. depending on how much she needs. At about 6 months fresh I'd say 26 hours in the rears and 18 in the fronts. That's if she's milking around 70 - 90 lbs. per day and say she peaked at 120. Just a rough example. It really varies from cow to cow.

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Not to stick up for those who push things to the extreme, but with regards to showing, feel they are a target for a lot of undue critisisom. What about the high index cow getting milked with a show bucket, so she will have 15-20 hours of milk in her instead of 12. At least at a show you know she has been bagged, pretty hard to hide that sort of thing. These top show herds need to be congradulated, a few bad seeds, need not ruin it for everyone.
Whenever there is value in something, there are those that will enter into the gray area. I see it happening, in both the show circut, and the index, and milk record extremes.
Have to agree with Indiesveiw, the birth dates on heifers are way out of hand. Ways to corret this would make a good topic for disscussion.
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alan a wrote:

The main show in Southern Ireland ( Millstreet ) said a few years ago that all cows would be checked after judging. Any with glue or other 'fixers' would be disqualified. Entries were half of previous years.



I heard this Alan, but i was at that show last year and one particular high profile cow, mentioning no names i don't want action taken against me!!!!, was most definitely glued. To be honest i hadnt noticed it until after the judging was over and the cows were getting ready for milking. i was standing admiring this cow from the front and i commented to a breeder friend about how well the cow was looking, he shrugged his shoulders said maybe so but come have a look at this, we went round the back of the cow and there was 2 clearly visible strips of glue hanging down from the rear quarters, obviously the teats had been prised apart for milking but to leave the glue hanging there was a little risky i thought. as far as i know no action has been taken!!! The owner of this cow also had the cheek to put his ear to the rear udder of another cow, and announce to all and sundry that he could hear a hissing sound. Pot calling kettle.......

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