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Does the panel think we should encourage Holstein UK to use the traits Rear legs rear view and rear udder width in their linears? I believe straight rear legs rear view without hock in-toe out is vital to good locomotion. We have this information on most of our bulls and it is a shame we can't print it on official bull proofs as it would be a foreign figure (not converted).
I don't understand why Holstein UK do not regard these two traits as important.
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Shouldn't they be able to convert rear legs rear view to locomotion as it is almost the same trait?
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yes,I think Locomotion covers legs rear view and more.
I agree about rear udder width,would also like to see bone quality and udder texture in there.

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But there are no locomotion scores on any sires unless they have UK daughters! So this discounts almost all imports.
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No ,we've only the Legs and feet composite score to go on.

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I think the locomotion score is a much more valid one and with it we are actually ahead of the rest.
It would be a better idea here to get the rest of the world to follow us, rather than to go back to meet them.
Rear udder width would be a good idea.
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Rear legs rear view is quite a misleading trait because we all know that a full udder tends to make rear legs look quite straight from the rear thats why we have locomotion.
  I regard locomotion as far more important than any feet and leg composite for a bull as if she walk correctly she can get around much more easily regardless of whether the legs are straight or sickled, low or steep foot angle.

  Not sure whether rear udder width is beneficial or not. I think the width of udder is more than likely to be related to rump width, and height and strength of attachment is therefore more important than width.
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Surely Will, the "strength" of the rear attachment is the "width"!!!

There are plenty of wide rumped cows with "necky" rear udders, so we need a measurement for both!!

I think rear udder width, udder texture and bone quality are all important traits that should appear on UK bull proofs. Locomotion is an excellent initiative from HUK which the rest of the world will one day follow.

I suppose that there must be a saturation point, but I would consider all available information on a bulls transmitting pattern, as useful. Every snippet helps to build up a better picture of what you may end up with!!!
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We have to forget about UK locomotion. There is no UK locomotion score for imported bulls. I find it hard to believe that so far, no member sees the benefit in publishing what I consider to be one of the most important factors in good legs and feet - Rear legs rear view.
The worst thing out is close hocked cows which screw up their feet every time they walk. They don't track properly.
Will, close hocked cows with full udders don't completely turn into straight legged cows and besides they aren't all scored when full. Most classifiers can spot this fault!
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To forget UK locomotion would be stupid!

Read the cowmens comments!

We regard it as important!
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