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Combining Type and High componants


Lots said about many of the high type high milk sires lacking componants. In UK some of highest type performers lack percents - Gelpro, Aaron etc etc.
What bloodlines or sire stacks best combine the two? High percents came from Ned Boy etc which certainly lacked the style we want in our cows. Others give us percents but are so lacking in milk. Formation, Astre etc gave us the style but no percents.
So what is everyones best sire stack for high type and high componants with enough milk to make them marketable. Also what would your mating sire be?

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Bloodlines might include something from Holim Heidis - Tornedo, Apollo, Boudewijn, Treasure, Careca, Cruyff...

Possibly Kaye at Ricecrest? I'm thinking Brett. I used a couple of test full brothers from Heidi's granddaughter, Lord Kim, sired by Brett.

Can't omit Picston Shaker, and Cogent Lucky.

Jolt isn't bad on components for North American.

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With all due repect to the principals concerned, the Holim Heidi/ Kim cow family should be taken out the back and shot. It has only one claim to fame and that is very high components. The shocking udders and very poor longevity/ durability and fertility figures are just too high a price to pay. This family used to dominate the rankings, the introduction of longevity and fertility into the total merit formula wiped them off the board.

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Taken out the back and shot? Seems a bit harsh, we have real needs in some markets for components, look at how well Boudewijn and Apollo stack up in Australia. If you look hard enough, you can find good ones. The linears although never a very strong posistive, do not do too much damage if you are careful, and I think Cruyff and Careca will do better jobs. Where else do we find fat? V Eaton, (Lou ettas, so there is already much influence) Freelance, I like how he and his brothers are getting on, I dont like his price too much. How about Zelati? I like his calves a lot at the moment, and I heard promising stuff from Spain about first crop daughters. Fat can be manipulated much easier than protein for sure, but look at all the high ranking 2nd crop sires, what apart from Outside and Tugolo do they all have in common? Jocko Besne, Gelpro, Convincer, Principal, Manat etc. Big negs on fat!
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Brothers Freelance, River, Goodluck, and Freeman even though he shows a very small minus on P%, and also a gr son of Gypsy Grand Rietben Charge. Gibson - not high milk, but not dreadfull either, and you can not look past Allen without a serious look. I can't off the top of my head, find a high milk bull (over 2,000 kgs) thats + on components and is high enough on type to suit me.
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I have noticed that a lot of high component bulls don't have anything for milk, sometimes getting type, components, and milk together can be a challenge.
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quote:

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I have noticed that a lot of high component bulls don't have anything for milk, sometimes getting type, components, and milk together can be a challenge.



Yes, there always seems to be a dilution factor.
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So any (2nd crop sires only except mating sire) offers better than:-
Careca x
x Tugolo or maybe Comestar Outside or is he too low on protein%?)
x Regancrest Elton Dante (udders feet and legs)
x Winchester or Zebo (put a bit of milk in)
x Jolt (frame)
x MarBil Command Geoffrey (frame)
x El A Ray Val Defiance or Bear Path Fantastic (lots of fat)
x Bell (milk, feet and legs)
x Sexation

Of course perhaps most importantly we would want to start with a great cow family.
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quote:

Bullpen wrote:

So any (2nd crop sires only except mating sire) offers better than:-
Careca x
x Tugolo or maybe Comestar Outside or is he too low on protein%?)
x Regancrest Elton Dante (udders feet and legs)
x Winchester or Zebo (put a bit of milk in)
x Jolt (frame)
x MarBil Command Geoffrey (frame)
x El A Ray Val Defiance or Bear Path Fantastic (lots of fat)
x Bell (milk, feet and legs)
x Sexation

Of course perhaps most importantly we would want to start with a great cow family.



No point in putting "a bit of milk in" if you're going to take it all out again with Dante!

You also have at least 3 cvm carriers in there including Careca.



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Don't get me started om Dante, talk about animals that want to be taken out back and shot!!! emoticon

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