Scary
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Re: Combining Type and High componants
Just had a quick look through the Australian bull proofs for bulls with high type and components:
Top 200 bulls according to APR
26 bulls 1.0 or better on OT (1.0 or better is considered to be the elite type bulls)
Sorry - of the 26 over 1.0 on OT there are:
15 bulls positive for both fat and protein%. (11 Aust standing, 4 imported)
7 bulls positive for protein but negative fat% (3 Aust standing, 4 imported)
4 bulls negative both protein and fat% (3 Aust standing, 1 imported)
Interesting figures.
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2/6/2004, 8:56
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mckeague
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Re: Combining Type and High componants
How many of those positive for Fat and Protein % are in the 25 bulls over 1.0 for OT?
--- Work in Dairy Research. Still involved in home farm, Inishowen Holsteins and Knock Texels!! Herd average 7, 500kg on grass based diet, av. classification running around 82 - 83 pts. Need a good Texel ram, talk to me!!!!!!!
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Scary
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Re: Combining Type and High componants
Edited posting above to answer your question.
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2/6/2004, 9:08
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Re: Combining Type and High componants
Mark, all Good points. Lets start again with a fresh piece of paper! Your turn next!
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2/6/2004, 9:21
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FiringOnAllFour
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Re: Combining Type and High componants
I remember when Dante was HOT!
Not all high component sires lack milk - Careca - 545 kg
v Eaton - 706
Dynasty - 702
Spiceman - 715
Lanugo cel 698
Alwinus - 691
etc.
All positive on type merit. (Although I wouldn't be surprised if the spicemans turn out rough).
PLI index also contains factors affecting longevity, and Careca (No. 3) and Cruyff are still top 20. Isn't the point that they should give as much fat and protein as possible before they die?
Personally, I would certainly opt for HIGH TYPE if it implied increased longevity. However, it doesn't. SOUND TYPE does, e.g. udder clearance a safe distance from the ground. This is probably a good time to mention my nineth calf nordkaps again, and my dead Rudolphs.
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2/6/2004, 9:37
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mckeague
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Re: Combining Type and High componants
If only all our Rudolphs were dead!!!!!(sorry once again semex!!) Sorry Scary I should have picked that up from the post, a little slow this morning must be all the dust from the milled forage samples that are sitting beside me!! I remember when Dante was hot as well, unfortunately now he's not and we have the remenants
--- Work in Dairy Research. Still involved in home farm, Inishowen Holsteins and Knock Texels!! Herd average 7, 500kg on grass based diet, av. classification running around 82 - 83 pts. Need a good Texel ram, talk to me!!!!!!!
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2/6/2004, 10:07
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CHARITY
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Re: Combining Type and High componants
What is wrong with Dante.I think he is a very good type,production,and components bull.What are the sire stacks of your Dantes!.
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2/6/2004, 11:14
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mckeague
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Re: Combining Type and High componants
1st 1 is Dante X Leadership X Integrity X Beervern Debonaire - poor legs and feet probably won't last, milks well though
another is Dante X Lee X Oakridges Startrip (Starbuck son, did very well for us, this cow had 13 calvings before time caught up on her) X Hanoverhill Roxy A - Frail, high pinned, prone to feet problems, lowest producing heifer last year
another is Dante X Royalist X Liueutenant X Westside Pierre (Tips) - had to be culled due to high cell counts, wasn't all that pretty anyway
--- Work in Dairy Research. Still involved in home farm, Inishowen Holsteins and Knock Texels!! Herd average 7, 500kg on grass based diet, av. classification running around 82 - 83 pts. Need a good Texel ram, talk to me!!!!!!!
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2/6/2004, 11:45
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canuk
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Re: Combining Type and High componants
Mckeague - You may not like Dante, and I really have no opinion, but in your examples, 1 has a 2nd dam by Leadership, and 1 has a 2nd dam by Liueutenent, so pretty hard to put all the blame on Dante, don't you think. Bad genes always have a way of catching up.
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2/6/2004, 12:53
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CHARITY
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Re: Combining Type and High componants
I also agree Canuk.If these were my animals i would spend countless hours of study to find out how this happened and never to let it happen again.More knowledge can be gained
from studying bad cows and bulls to find out why they failed and no what works in a pedigree.
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2/6/2004, 13:10
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