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I live on South Africa’s eastern seaboard, we are a summer rainfall area. 99% of local milk production is from large commercial herds, 200 to 1400 cows grazed on pasture 365 days of the year. Kikuyu and perennial ryegrass in summer, perennial and annual ryegrass in winter (irrigated) some farms incorporate clovers, roughly half the herds seasonally calve, breeding one third in autumn, two thirds in spring.. Most herds feed supplementary maize silage in winter or when grass is short, surplus grass turned into wrapped bale silage is also utilised in this role. Concentrate supplementation varies from 1 ton to 2.4 tons per 300 day lactation, average herd production ranges from 4500 litres to 8500 litres per lactation. Holstein herds out number Jersey herds about 8 to 2. Some herds crossbreed. Farmers can be bothered by umpteen semen reps, the US, Canadian, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, German, French, Italian, Australian, New Zealand and local product are all represented.

Five years ago positive percentage bulls were the order of the day, now the management traits have precedence, but at least one positive component bull is usually required in the mix. Positive PL and DPR with low SCS are important selection criteria. Calving ease bulls are critical, it is virtually impossible to move any significant amounts of semen of bulls >8% difficult births. Seasonal calving herds are trying to match feed requirements to grass production, it is critical for cows to get back in calf ASAP, more than anybody they require cows that have no trauma at calving, recover rapidly and hold or regain condition quickly and thus enhance conception.

In a perfect world all the bulls we sell would have two points for udders and two points for feet and legs, like everybody else we want the very best udders and feet and legs we can get. We require slightly different body traits though. The perfect linear for most of the coastal grazing areas would be zero or slightly negative for stature, Dairy Form at this point needs to be around zero, slightly negative is okay, slightly positive is also fine up to about one standard deviation. We basically want shorter, big body capacity cows, i.e. medium size and stature cows, not too dairy, with width from end to end. In our line up, Keystone Potter and before him Boss and Spock have about as close to the ideal linear for our system.

Within these parameters we require ‘constructor’ and ‘refiner bulls’. Ito has been our long-term refiner (and still would be if he were alive), we are looking at the Durham sons to replace him. Potter is our constructor bull of choice.

The drier centre of the country, which produces milk from TMR, wants a slightly different type of bull and lots more milk than we require.

Bulls I like in a pedigree: Fond Matt, Bootmaker, Astronaut, Elevation, Milu-Betty, Wayne, Mars Tony, Sexation, Tradition, Bova, Chairman, Mark, Secret, Winken, Eagle, Vic Kai, Belltone, Marvel, Levi, Blackstar, Leadman, F16, Tops, Mountain, Converse, Mathie, Roebuck, Merrill, Cutter, Lance, Juror, Patron, Duster, Leader, Lava, Manfred, Mtoto, Nobel, Rudolph, Durham, Outside.

Bulls I don't mind in a pedigree: PFAC, Glendell, Apollo Rocket, Neil, Triple Threat, Valiant, Bell, Rotate, Enhancer, Starbuck, Cleitus, Tesk, Thor, Cubby, Nick, Elton, Aerostar, Ernlo, Target, Prelude, Emory, Marconi, Lord Lily, Jolt, Formation, Wade, Airliner, Extasy, Z Royal, Addison, BW Marshall.

Bulls that I am ambivalent about: Mascot, Southwind, Celsius, Cash, Cinder, Mandel, Bellwood, Convincer, Storm, Aaron.

Bulls that don’t work for us: Nedboy, Jed and all his sons, Lindy and all his issue, Luke, the Holim Heidi family, Winchester, Demand, Emerson, James, Lantz.

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Sixth lactation Emory daughter

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First calf Morningview Durham Jinx daughter

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Potter is available at a low cost in the UK. Would he do a job on cows that are housed for 7 months as well as on grazing herds?

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Absolutely, he's got enough milk. He should work well over Lucente and Principal daughters etc. We are using him on Manats, to get their ribs a little further apart and improve management traits. He really welds on fore udders, and makes deep creases.

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would a bull like Rietben Cartel work in your type of system? He is as good as it gets for management traits here. Udders and legs are quite good too.
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Yes he could, he's got a lot we could work with, but at such a low level of milk we would prefer much better components and DPR and PL. (I'm looking at his US figures/ conversion.) Marty has done well here and Rudolph works but I'm not much of a Gypsy Grand fan.

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Smous, I read that your Government was starting a land "redistribution" programme. What effect is that likely to have on agriculture in SA? Will the redistribution be on a Zimbabwe scale?
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We hope and pray not to go down the Zimbabwe trail, that was hardly land redistribution but the wholesale government endorsed intimidation and theft of productive white owned lands when Mad Bob got disgruntled about losing a referendum. So called war vets (the rank and file were in their late teens and early twenties, Zimbabwe got independence in 1980) invaded farms and laid siege to homesteads harassing farmers, their families and their workers. A lot of the farms got 'redistributed' into members of Mugabe’s cabinet.

Land reform is a serious and highly emotive issue and needs to addressed properly from both sides. Some redistribution has already taken place, when it is willing buyer willing seller there are usually no problems. Our new minister of agriculture says thing are going too slowly and is not necessarily going to wait for the willing seller option. I know many many farmers who have land claims against there properties. If the claimant can prove they or their ancestors were forcibly removed, they have a very good chance of getting the land back. Many honest claims by wronged people have been made but many are spurious and made by opportunistic chancers. All have to be checked out, which takes time, landless people are not always patient. Unfortunately to date too many of the hand-overs have not been very successful and often highly productive set ups have turned too ruin. Mentorship is necessary to bring peoples skills up to scratch. A lot of rip off artists hire themselves out as ‘mentors’ and make big bucks for themselves while screwing everybody else and leaving a climate of resentment.


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Whilest Im sure magabe has good intentions the fact is that peoples that were hunter/gathers/herders do not necessarily make good farmers with out plenty of guidence and good training.
As zimbabwee has found to its cost!
and whilest land may have been "taken" 100 years ago it really is not the "same" land now as it has been developed in to something productive with infrastructure.
So I think those people on the land now should be compensated for their improvements before relinquishing their land to others who may have prior claim.
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Mugabe has no good intentions, Zimbabwe was once the breadbasket of Africa it is now in ruin. He had been in power for twenty years before this happened (plenty of time surely to redress some of the imbalances of colonialism) only when he saw his popularity was on the wane did he instigate something that may have got him a few votes. When that didn't work he started bull dozing homes in the wards he lost out of pure spite, putting his own people out on the streets with out a roof over their heads. He recently spent R8 million on his 83rd birthday party while 8 out of 10 of his people live below the bread line.

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I think it was tragic what has happened in zimbabwae in the last 20 years and hope that other countries do not make the same mistakes
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