Will Richardson
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Re: Interbull Conversions
Interbull Conversions do work to a certain extent. Countries which have reliable robust progeny testing schemes which result in second crop proofs closely matching test proofs I would expect to do far better on conversions than those that dont,reliable animal identification may also play an important part in this.A possible reason why Canadian bulls convert better than US bulls.
All classification schemes differ slightly and how the type composites are made up within a particular scheme vary.Interbull conversions will never be perfect but until someone comes up with something better which is understood by the average everyday dairyfarmer it will be here to stay. If you dont like it tough.
--- 100 cows North East UK ... no staff employed.
8500kgs 4.30% fat 3.33% protein 82 points average on type.
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3/4/2004, 20:29
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MarkDay
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Re: Interbull Conversions
quote: ronflatness wrote:
Mark you already mentioned that Gibson was lower on TOP than ZADE, how about the others? Many are lower in the US.
No you are mistaken Ron,I didn't say that!And as Will has shown he isn't!!!!
quote: If your car won't go faster than 30 mph it's time to fix it!
Fix it or replace it yes but don't just abandon the whole idea of motor transport altogether!
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"I have not failed 1000 times, I have discovered a 1000 ways that do not work"-Thomas Edison
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3/4/2004, 20:42
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ronflatness
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Re: Interbull Conversions
Will, your remarks are somewhat funny but sad. There is no logic to these big disparities. Who specifically in the UK designs your conversions?
In tiny print,the Semex ad's(featuring 2nd crop bulls)admit to recalcuting the data to allow for base change. We don't do that in the US. If you adjust for base change few top bulls would decrease on 2nd crop.
We had proofs and conversions before Interbull. Interbull in it's current manipulated form, just made it much worse.
Going back to Mark's example, consider the nice little old lady driving along nicely, on the interstate in the US or on the Autobahn going 30 mph. She going to kill herself and cause multiple car accidents.
The same is true with a countrys genetic progress, pat yourself on the back now, you might be embarrassed later.
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3/4/2004, 21:33
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foxleigh
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Re: Interbull Conversions
remember asking a us rep a few years ago about a new sires proof and got told oh dont worry about his type its not right - its the pedigree influence showing thru!
Q. do we need pedigree influence as part of a proof?
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3/4/2004, 21:42
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CHARITY
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Re: Interbull Conversions
U should be able to look at the pedigree of the animal and know whats going to happen.
Mr Jed Approval +21 for legs mace how many people used him to correct legs and were convinced he was any good.I thought he was no good when he came out and i was right.
When a bull from any part of the world is proven in Canada and comes out with a good proof i will use them.Canada has a very hard clasification program and only the very best sires will compete in this.So if Marmax comes out with a good proof when tested in the hardest conditions i will use him.Until then i will use September Storm,or,Elegant because they have proven they can perform in the hardest conditions.
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3/4/2004, 21:44
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foxleigh
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Re: Interbull Conversions
I agree that one should be able to look at a pedigree/proof and know what will happen ie. from vol 2 redbook 1992 carlin ivanhoe bell was shown to have high pins,posty legs,narrow thurls,shallow body depth,frail and short.
however does this information need to be taken into account when calculating a sons proof?
from memory the bull I asked the rep about was a bell x mark that had high pins that werent as bad as the proof said cause it was supposed to be influenced by bells high pins
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3/4/2004, 21:55
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ToB
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Re: Interbull Conversions
im confused on all of the down talking is it you hate the Zade bull or you hate the man that markets him?
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3/4/2004, 22:00
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foxleigh
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Re: Interbull Conversions
i dont hate anyone!life's too short for wasting time and energy on hate
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3/4/2004, 22:08
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Re: Interbull Conversions
sorry foxleigh i wasnt directing it at you but at the ones who seem to be bashing the bull in general
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3/4/2004, 22:20
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foxleigh
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Re: Interbull Conversions
well there's no shortage of bull bashing on both pedigree, type, proof and actual results which is why and where we figure out how best to use or not use a bull/bloodline.
andno we wont be using zade.
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3/4/2004, 22:32
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