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How about using Starbuck on her sister or one of her daughters to produce a bull that you can use on her ?
Or perhaps that brazilian stud that bought a embryo from a full siblings mating from Brookview Tony Charity has som semen to sell ?
I never knew if they ever got a bull calf from that 350 000$ investment or not ?

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depending on the cows weak points I might use
skagvale confidence (dam at least 7 generations ex and 4 gen EX on sires side being the ransdall conclusion bull)
or Wilonna lite whiskey also similar amount of ex top and bottom
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B. Bird,

I think that you have understood where I am coming from.
And yes, the question was partly inspired by mmt95's comment, plus the success of the "virtual sire analyst" thread.
 
This wasn't intended to be a quiz with correct, and incorrect answers. Nor was I trying to instigate a controversial debate.
Rather to pool the available expertise and experience to further my own breeding goals.

One of my greatest hobbies is spending time mulling over which sire I should breed each cow to. It is interesting that the best cows, with the best pedigrees, (and the highest chance of success) create the most agonising!!!

With hindsight, we can identify the bulls we should have used a while back. Bootmaker, Triple Threat, Starbuck, Blackstar and Chief Mark, all created strong female dynastys. I was looking for inspiration from everyone, to try and predict which of todays bulls may be as successful. Or alternatively, what strategies to follow, to try to identify potential Brood Cow sires.

I take the point that a good brood cow can be bred successfully to pretty much any sire, because of the families strengths, and agree with it totally.
My goal though, would be to keep the line "purer" than that, so that it can become consistant and successful for generations to come.

Idealist nonsense or admirable plan?

I have probably only succeeded in muddying the waters further.
yes Mark, it is a difficult question, but thats why I asked it!!!

Keep the replies coming!!!
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P.S. Should have added that when breeding this sort of cow it seems a lot easier to discount sires, rather than include them.
It's easier to decide what you don't want, rather than what you do!!!!!!
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quote:

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depending on the cows weak points I might use
skagvale confidence (dam at least 7 generations ex and 4 gen EX on sires side being the ransdall conclusion bull)
or Wilonna lite whiskey also similar amount of ex top and bottom


No offense foxleigh but this sort of thing has me confused, I can understand why this strategy once developed but noadays ?
After the bull has a proof that you can trust I don't care much if there's one or ten generations of Ex or Vg behind him.
even the best cow will likely have some less reliable traits that need some protection, that would be my guideline in selecting a bull for her.

 



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quote:

broa wrote:

quote:

foxleigh wrote:

depending on the cows weak points I might use
skagvale confidence (dam at least 7 generations ex and 4 gen EX on sires side being the ransdall conclusion bull)
or Wilonna lite whiskey also similar amount of ex top and bottom


No offense foxleigh but this sort of thing has me confused, I can understand why this strategy once developed but noadays ?
After the bull has a proof that you can trust I don't care much if there's one or ten generations of Ex or Vg behind him.
even the best cow will likely have some less reliable traits that need some protection, that would be my guideline in selecting a bull for her.

 





Would have to disagree broa and agree with foxleigh. I feel that this family has stood the test of time and had multiple generations of excellent cows proving they are true transmitters. Let me ask you something would you trust a bull from 7 excellent dams or would you trust a bull from a VG index cow with not that great of a pedigree behind it? Proofs are mostly deviations when talking brood cows it only makes sense to use a bull from a family of great brood cows.
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I would add Skychief to the list of potential Brood Cow Sires. I am noticing that the good Skychiefs tend to breed well into the next generation. Time will Tell though. Recently they have only been bred from Tremendous maternal/show lines though.

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How about Aaron,Lee and dare I say it..Principal!

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let me make a comment re type in pedigree background.
my husband used to use AI sires that often had "top" type proofs but questionible background and as our classification went on more heifers were 78 points and less first class and they were not lasting and getting further and further away from his ideal 3 way wedge cow that could last. currently we do have a gap in the herd!
We got to the point we used almost no AI and only our own bulls, even other peoples "top" herd bulls wernt working( current disaster is a leader x ex broker x ex linmack)
the leaders full sister is also ex!!
however I digress. When we started to used bulls like skagvale confidence suddenly we had calves like peas in a pod .I had commercial farmers tell me that when they drove down the road they could pick their confidences out from their high countrys and centurians.( 3 distinct types all a uniform group)
These heifers are classifying out 100% GP and going VG 2nd calf!!
The boss irons also have a multiple ex sires maternal pathweay and they are also like peas in a pod!!
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quote:

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The boss irons also have a multiple ex sires maternal pathweay and they are also like peas in a pod!!



The Boss Irons might be "peas in a pod" but needless to say I'm unimpressed. They all look alike but are short, they hock-in, and are peaked in the tail head.
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