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Re: Too much of a good thing ?


FOA4,

I understand that you may not have a problem with deep udders, and that your robotic milking system may place more emphasis on the clear definition of each teat. I too, do not like cows with their rear teats almost touching. I would argue that more often than not, it is actually a teat placement problem, rather than a ligament problem.
If the cow that Mark has pictured is suffering due to too much ligament, it will be the first one that I have ever witnessed. I do not argue that you may have one similar, but that this problem is in fact very rare!!

Cows displaying lack of udder definition are not rare!!!

Despite your obvious management skills I can assure you that not all blown udders are down to poor management. (Although it can of course be, a major factor!).

The problem with breeding for "SUFFICIENT" is that this is an average derived from cows displaying,EXTREME, SUFFICIENT and INSUFFICIENT characteristics. I realise that if you breed for EXTREME you will still produce cows in all three categories, but the higher proportion will be in the first two!!

Call me a CLEFT man if you like!!

Maybe it's a fetish?
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Mr Powell,

Could I please just add, that support does become an issue, especially at my stage of life!

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Mark- What is the udder on your cow scored? And what did the classifer say about her?

I note that daughters pictured in stud books are often pictured from the rear, and that the teats are small and a ways back.

Are we beginning to breed cows for 1000 cow herds milked in parallel parlors?

A stong ligament stays put, while the udder drops down on the outside. If not carefully attended to, some milk will remain in the udder.

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Old Maid,

Havn't you heard of the wonderbra?
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quote:

mmt95 wrote:

Mark- What is the udder on your cow scored? And what did the classifer say about her?




Believe it or not VG85!
She is currently very stale in her third lactation and was classified during her 2nd.She is 84 points over all.


I would agree with FOAF in that we have very few cows that blow their udders but we have another cow with an udder like this, she is a Convincer X Fatal X Slocum .

Fatal X Slocum is obviously the common denominator, I believe Fatal’s Father Ugela Bell has a lot to answer for!

I might add that we also have quite a few cows with teats closer than desired but it is the combination with the strong ligament that makes this and one or two others a problem.


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I can't say I have noticed a problem with slocum. But Fatal definitely throws some very close teats. Convincer, I would be very scared of using. Also milking several Aarons, and while they have not given problems, I would not touch him or a son again. Have a few Juror granddaughters bulling this winter and hoping for dear life they will be ok. How risky do you think the juror blood will be for me?

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Agree with you about slocum,the classifiers loved them but I hated them.Fall off all the time,whistle and shriek like The Flying Scotsman and they pass close teats on to their daus.Had no trouble at all with either convincers or jurors.Have had trouble with richesse stonehams.Teats too far back on the udder instead of too close though.
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 This bull should help them out and make them reasonably easier for the robot to attach to

 http://www.holstein-uk.org/HolsteinUK/PublicWeb/AnimalData/data/ASMalefs.asp?AnimalID=20154663

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I have been noticing this bull. He has the production, scc, legs and feet, teat placement and self-sufficiency (in the coarse element) that I value. (and milkspeed if he goes by his daddy). Udders look a wee bit plain, but perhaps I could use him on my fatals!

The only problem is, I haven't a notion who sells him in Northern Ireland.

Jim,

Its a funny old world. I am milking two stonehams, and both are perfect on the udder (mechanically speaking)! :mad

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FOA4,

I apologise in advance.

I feel a little wicked tonight!!...................But if your robot is set up to milk Nordkaps, Cashs, Leducs and Bellwoods, I can fully understand why it struggles with teats placed firmly under the udder!!

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