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What exactly is going on elsewhere with this bull??
In Canada 129daus scored, of that a WHOPPING 103 of them are the result of E.T, which is mind boggling on its own.
Type +1, 3.43 scs, - components, - F&Ls, and all frame related traits are minus as well. Thought this was supposed to be a great representative of German breeding, does this still hold true?? His origonal MACE proof looked pretty good, good enough apparently for many to pay big $s for semen to use as a flush sire, and good enough for many A.Is to sample many sons. Wonder what will happen when many other bulls over here get proofs, whose Mace never looked as good as Manats???
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We always figured he and all other Mandel sons were over evaluated for type in the UK by interbull. Mandel got a massively inflated +3.3 type score in UK thanks to 100% ET's. This pushed up the imported Mandel sons by around 1 point - perhaps more. Mandel is or was around +1.3 USA so when the new proof was calculated in UK with a parent average of 3.3 rather than 1.3, the sons were bound to be over evaluated. Don't think it was the bulls fault. He still does what he said he would in country of origin. We did not expect great frames or legs and feet or nice rumps. We did expect good udders and plenty of production and thats what we have got. He was given around +3.00 UK type by interbull. He is now +1.68 which is nearer to where we reckoned he would be.
Can't speak for Canadian situation - don't know what Canadian interbull promised you guys, the bull would do.

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Can't recall exactly what was promised, but it really matters none, with a type rating of +1 I can assure you he is a complete and utter bust here. I understand that type is not a huge priority for some, and that is ok, but does anyone on this planet flush there top cows to a bull with a type merit this low, on purpose? I agree country of origin proofs should be looked at 1st, but if what was promised, still holds true in his country of origin, how the blazes did his proof here get this bad? 129 daus is a fairly good # of daus for a proof, and here is a great example of a bull bred to only TOP END COWS, yet he comes out this poor, hard to believe, don't you think? but this happens regularly, and will continue to do so, too few seem to care.
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There have been constant complaints of how Interbull damages the proofs of some bulls, but Manat was sold in the UK as a world beater and now it seems he wasn't expected to be.

It's no good complaining about the system when it's OK to use it when its in your favour.

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In other words, a good guess is as reliable as a good Interbull proof. What are the people who flush their best cows to an early proof bull trying to accomplish? Only 1 in a 1,000 will be stud bait.
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Interbull is in serious need of a fix, but there are many who make lots of cash on the present system. Each countries own bulls are always on top of there own list.What I really don't get is why are we not all SCREAMING at our A.Is because this MACE proof crap, just dosn't work like it should. Can anyone think of a MACE proof that actually did NOT go down?
Manat is still being sold as a top proven bull in his own country, and sons are still entering A.I, its how, and why that I don't get.
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I used Astre back when he was suposed to be "THE ONE" and the resulting heifers where
just horrendeous to look at.
Amazing, how many years of breeding can be cancelled out in just one generation.
Just as some bulls will work in one herd but not in another, some bulls will work in one contry but not in another.

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We used Astre with good sucess. Currently milking a 93 EEEEE daughter with two 2X records over 50,000 lbs milk. Our problem was he left us mostly bulls.

You are right about bulls working for one herd or region but not another. It is something the studs evidently don't seem to get.

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It is very hard for me to imagine comparing Astre to Manat, but your point of some work in certain countries, and some don't, is resonable. But like mmt95 says why do the studs turn a blind eye to this? It is such a huge waste, of time and $.
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still think what I wrote on page one is right!!!and given that I aint surprised....
we have a saying in this house "when theyre hot theyre not!
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