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Emerson... Great Bull or Just Another Average UK Import.


 Emerson is leaving some reasonable daughters in the UK are they really that great?
 
 Bullpen wrote:

  At the moment we don't even have Emerson in our brochure BUT he keeps getting better and better. His proof shows no big type faults but then no great strengths either. From what I have seen he is a very good foot and leg and strength bull and can pop out some really nice ones with plenty of production.
He is no 4 on Canadian LPI - the highest second crop sire by a margin.
We will have to relaunch him!

http://195.153.22.85/HolsteinUK/PublicWeb/AnimalData/data/ASMalefs.asp?AnimalID=168125

Heres his first UK daughters to be scored:-

http://195.153.22.85/HolsteinUK/PublicWeb/AnimalData/data/ASProgenyListMale.asp?AnimalID=168125

 Big Bird wrote:

   Been used on some very decent cows.

I take it you mean relaunch in the UK. What in his proof suggests he is any better than some of our UK home proven bulls?


 errolston wrote:

  Which homebred UK bulls are you referring to BB? Principal -2.62 chest width?Lucente -0.47 foot angle, +0.35 stature? Lookout - don't fancy the milking speed much?

Emerson is a bull that makes no frills cattle, good feet and legs, high production. Watch rear udder height and height at front end.

 mmt95 wrote:

  You are right on about the Emersons, but also they are inclined to have nasty dispositions, and are slow milkers. We got rid of the three meanest and slowest milking. The three we have left are pretty decent cows. Would not use him again, can't afford to cull 50% because of attitude and milking speed.

Two were from contract matings. Fortunately for the studs, they were heifers.

 canuk wrote:

  Would have been happy to stay out of the Emerson debate but someone said he was #4 on Canadas LPI list. As a bull that was used as an over priced flush sire, for marketing of high index, he is not #4 for his type improvement, at +5 he is average at best. Dought it would be much of a stretch to say over 30% of his Canadian daus are ETs, and not a single dose will be sold in this Country today, to use as a flush sire. Does he have a place, YES, is he a good bull, MAYBE, is he worthey of #4 DEFINATLY NOT.
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Re: Emerson... Great Bull or Just Another Average UK Import.


Love a challange, and will go with Big Birds quote - What in his proof suggests he is any better than some of our UK home proven bulls. Absolutly nothing.
See he has 66 V.G's of these 23 are ETs so am assumming that their dams are at least V.G or better. That leaves 43, of these 43 14 have E.X dams, and 22 have V.g dams. That leaves 7 of these 5 have G.P dams and 2 have dams that are not scored, interesting to note those last 2 both have E.X 2nd, and 3rd dams. So in a nut shell that tells me on out of 66, only 5 were from avg dams, this may mean nothing to some but, this is on par with his Canadian proof, which is to me anyway an inflated crock of useless info. Do I hate this bull NO, have I used him YES, (all sold)is he just another average UK import, the proof says YES. Now all those who used him heavy can perhaps prove that he belongs with the greats, goodluck on that.
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Re: Emerson... Great Bull or Just Another Average UK Import.


I milk two Emersons. One is VG86, the other 85 both as two year olds. One is a Dellia, the other is from Southland Dellia 2 VG88 Lucky Leo. So both have excellent pedigrees. The dutch heifer is a real good heifer, tall and deep and passing resembles the Martha cow. Both have excellent feet and legs, both kick a lot in the parlour and have milked well.

I have only seen one other milking daughter and it was a Kimo at Paul Rawcliffe's sale. Also a good heifer.

But those are the only ones I have seen.

My point was really that I doubt whether any of the bulls in my quote are any better, and they are probably GB's bull breeding's claim to fame so far. Throw in Courier, and I would use Emerson before any of them.
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I dont mind Emerson at all.Would only use him on high type cows that need milk.Would not use him on cows that have loads of milk and not much type.Daughters of Triumphant,Jed,Black Jack,Gibson,Red Marker,and September Storm would make a good cross for Emerson.One of my favorite Emerson daughters is Fluery Emerson Cendra VG85 she can milk good and has good components.Wanted to buy her when she was a heifer but she sold for to much.I am watching 2 Emerson son from Semex wich should have proofs in November.The first is Bergeroy Respect Emerson X Mason.Has 29 daughters scored at 52%.The second is Elizer
(usam129208525)Emerson X Leadman.He has 13 daughters scored at 69%.I personaly think Emerson will have some great sons.A lot better than Convincer anyway.

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I have seen some great ones in USA, Ireland, UK and Holland, but he has left some real ponies, and I cant remembering any ive seen out of run of the mill cows. I think he was an overrated breed leader, but an underrated commercial bull. Do I take it no one cares about Blad these days?
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Re: Emerson... Great Bull or Just Another Average UK Import.


Errolston, what are you breeding or flushing your Emerson to? I have been lucky enough to see that family, and the Leo is a real honey, she has an awesome Steven just fresh now, and a great Addison. I see she has a Stormatic and Champion, and reading your previous comments, she wont be bred to a UK bull, so what are you going with?
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Re: Emerson... Great Bull or Just Another Average UK Import.


We have some Freelance pregnancies due any time, she was also flushed to Champion and our partner wants to use Talent this time.

We are going to try and flush her heavily. I would like to try Forbidden as well.

What are the Steven and Addison like? Do they have good udders?
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I have an Emerson that is 86 with VG mam. Went 28,000 4.01 fat 3.3 pro.as a 2 year old. Lots of stranght fast milking would like a higher wider rear udder but great feet and good size. Have flushed her to Talent and Stormatic, Best, and Astronomical.
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Re: Emerson... Great Bull or Just Another Average UK Import.


Errolston, you will be pleased to know both the Addison and Steven are honey's. I saw the Addison twice now, she is incalf now after milking really well with good test. Excellent legs and feet with surprisingly milky bone for an Addison, great power and a good udder. The Steven has an awesome mammary with deep cleft, great width and ideal texture. She has the strength of her mom rather than Steven which for me may need a little protection through the front. This family is for real, shout when you get calves from yours!
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Re: Emerson... Great Bull or Just Another Average UK Import.


Just had an Emerson go 84 with a VG MS as a two year old to top it off she is one of our top producing two year olds, I like her, but am unsure what to think of Emerson; probably wouldn't use him.
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